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SS on high grade keys?

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sufunk

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The sales numbers are compelling in that, for now, SS are higher value than their similar counter parts.

 

There is a definite aspect in comics and all collecting to one up the next guy (in both a devious and benign way). And the SS feeds into that.

 

I have a 9.4 unsigned and you have a 9.4 signed and you can say that your's is "better". All these things are subjective as anyone can say any book is better than another.

 

But when the market prices for SS are higher than without, you have to simply go with the cold hard facts.

 

Just to be clear, i never said or meant that SS books arent more valuable, they clearly are most of the time. My only point is that they are harder to re-sell if they are HG big ticket SA books. Some people love SS books but theres definitely a large number of the uber HG collectors that want nothing to do with sigs on the front cover of those kind of books.

 

btw, those gpa numbers are INSANE! Why the hell would someone pay 25k for a 9.2 Avengers 4 with stans sig?!? A regular 9.2 goes for like 7k! Even if you're worried about damaging the book, for that money, you could buy a 9.4, get it signed and even bumped down a grade for cheaper :ohnoez:

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Remember the Frazetta sig on that Mile High book.

 

Oh my tummy hurts :sick:

 

 

 

Yes...do you remember the title of the book? Most people don't.

 

It's an utterly forgettable book from a completely forgotten title.

 

The only thing that made it worth something was that it was Frazetta's first work.

Having his sig (God Rest his soul) on his first work, is not something that should make anyone sick.

 

His sig, on his first book, means a lot more to me than the fact than it was in the reference file of a commercial artist and never read.

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Remember the Frazetta sig on that Mile High book.

 

Oh my tummy hurts :sick:

 

 

 

Yes...do you remember the title of the book? Most people don't.

 

It's an utterly forgettable book from a completely forgotten title.

 

The only thing that made it worth something was that it was Frazetta's first work.

Having his sig (God Rest his soul) on his first work, is not something that should make anyone sick.

 

His sig, on his first book, means a lot more to me than the fact than it was in the reference file of a commercial artist and never read.

 

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I'm with the pack that thinks signatures on HG books of any kind isn't so hot. For me, the grade to have signed is about a FN+...nice looking book, holds its value, signature doesn't detract from the grade and may add some appeal.

 

But if and when I pull in a nice FF #1, there's no way anyone is signing that cover!

 

:sumo:

 

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It certainly may not be.

 

Either way "commercial artist" has his "never read", former basement stash, scribbled cover, well loved, book, up for grabs. :ohnoez:

 

 

 

 

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You might be right, I think he came on the boards a while back talking about the book, and why he did it.

 

I don't know who owns it now. Its been passed around a bit. (shrug)

 

http://www.pedigreecomics.com/detail.php?issue_id=20317

 

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2009/07/edgar_church_is_rolling_over_i.html

 

 

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(If memory serves I believe even the person who got it signed, owned it more than once)

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What should all the SS collectors do? :ohnoez: Conform to the anti-SS way of thinking just because you personally don't approve of what we love?

 

High grade or low grade it doesn't matter. Anyone can do anything they like with their personal property. If someone opts to have a book signed and you don't like or approve of the idea so be it. That's your right. This is America after all. However I'm really bored with this topic poping up every few months. Hate on the SS community all you want but it's not going to change anything. If you're not careful though we may just band together and SS every 9.2+ book we can get our hands on which will leave you with nothing to collect.

 

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I'm not hating on them, to each his own. I've said like 3 times if thats what you like have at it!

 

The OP though asked about future resale for a HG SS comic. I DEFINITELY think you are limiting your buyers with an SS book. If it's a keeper, do whatever you want with it. If it's for re-sale, you're going to have a harder time moving it imo (shrug)

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Remember you only rent your comics. (tsk)

 

I know its not like you used the inverted Jenny to pay your water bill, or decided that you had sand kicked in your face long enough, so that Atlas coupon in your HG BB28 needed to be clipped.

(Which apparently IS on the table in your scary world.) :insane:

 

But when you get a unique book signed, you start to make decisions and make it harder, for other people who will likely want that rare book when you are done with it.

 

You have the right to be an A-hole in America to other people, (it's your book right now) but it doesn't mean people wont hate you for it down the road.

 

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Keep in mind not everyone flips the stuff they buy though. I've sold some stuff recently due to losing my job but for the most part I don't sell any of the books I buy and only buy stuff with the intent of subbing them for SS.

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Yes I remember. Great cover on a Unique Book.

 

9.6 of Tally-Ho Comics 1 (nn)

 

Yes still makes me want to puke

 

But if it makes you that happy, I hope you hang on to it for a LONG time!

 

or not... :insane:

http://www.comicconnect.com/bookDetail.php?id=382924

 

 

 

 

 

I don't own it, never owned it, would have loved to have owned it, would never have let it go.

 

I don't need to shill up a book I own like that, who does that anyway?

Who assumes someone else does that anyway?

 

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Remember you only rent your comics. (tsk)

 

 

 

 

 

Socialism. :cloud9:

 

 

 

 

But when you get a unique book signed, you start to make decisions and make it harder, for other people who will likely want that rare book when you are done with it.

 

You have the right to be an A-hole in America to other people, (it's your book right now) but it doesn't mean people wont hate you for it down the road.

 

Is there a huge market for "Tally Ho #1"? If the answer is "yes", then why is that?

 

If there is a market do you think its because its got an awesome "Snowman" story in it, or because it's Frank Frazetta's first professional work.

 

It's a very rare arena that places value on a comic collector over a comic creator, that disparages a comic legend over someone who collected the books of comic legends.

 

Just sayin', priorities and all. Without Frazetta's work in that book it's a $100 book that no one wants, regardless of condition and provenance. So maybe this is one of those situations where lauding Edgar Churchs OCD can take a back seat to the beginning of one of the most revered careers in the history of comics or artwork and the opportunity to let him place him hands and his name on what is, really, HIS book after all.

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That seems to be only an argument to deface other important unique books for future collectors down the road. Being Frazetta's first work only makes it MORE in demand from future collectors. And more disturbing.

 

I don't care if a Tally Ho is signed. Its not that hard of a book to get.

It's the Church copy that I have a problem with.

 

If I wanted (or someone else wanted) a Frazetta signed Tally Ho, I'd grab a 5.5 for around $6-$700 (BTW Sold $620 May 2010)

Which I'd have no problem with.

 

Well at least there is more than one in 9.6, but not another MH. :gossip:

 

Sometimes you just might want to think about others who will own a unique book.

That's where I comin from.

 

 

 

 

 

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I personally don't like the SS books, mostly due to the tougher resale ability, but also because it reduces the number of unmodified(unmolested) copies.

 

Placing anything on a comic is bad IMO, I always hated stamps, dates, stars etc. Now we come to see that some pedigrees are famous but identified by markings placed on the books.

 

I don't like CGC's stance on signatures either, they declare that they alone can authenticate a signature? I don't mind signatures inside of books, that's great and I would do that if I had a special need to. As long as CGC will put unrestored books in blue labels, regardless of the signature placement, it's not an issue.

 

I have one SS book, but for a super grail like AF 15 that I cannot afford, the restored copies are fair game for anything.

 

 

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