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CGC holder question

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Indrid_Cold

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Hey guys I need your help. I have about 100 CGC graded comics in my collection now and I have noticed that a few of them have what appears to be a tiny amount of material at one or more corners that ranges from clear with tiny bubbles to translucent. I don't know if this is something that is naturally occuring or evidence of tampering. If it were naturally occuring, perhaps it is the inner well extending a bit beyond the outter casing and CGC "melts" it off leaving behind a small and hardly noticable "crust" that ranges from clear with tiny bubbles to translucent. Or perhaps its super glue from someone having tampered with the case?

 

I figure its just a natural inconsistency with the holder manufacturing and/or inner well trimming when it extends a bit beyond the outter case. But with all the posts and concerns with tampering that I see posted, I thought why not just submit some pics and get some feedback from other collectors.

 

I went ahead and paid the $5 for the grader notes to see if comic associated with that label matched up, but unfortunately all I got was one sentence that says "right bottom front cover tiny cover crease that breaks color". I was hoping it would also include some of the other slight defects I see on this comic such as the few stress lines on the spine that break color (which are equally as noticeable as that tiny corner crease).

 

Rather than wonder or just assume, I wanted to post the pics below so that other collectors could share their insight and not only solve this mystery for me but it will probably be also helpful to other "new to CGC" collectors like myself.

I appreciate any help / experience / insight you can provide!

Below are the links to the pics.

 

http://postimage.org/image/5mqpilqt9/

 

http://postimage.org/image/4tjm6j5hf/

 

http://postimage.org/image/53q7mytwn/

 

http://postimage.org/image/n7ya4pxwn/

 

http://postimage.org/image/telbm3dy9/

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Doohickamabob

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Hey guys I need your help. I have about 100 CGC graded comics in my collection now and I have noticed that a few of them have what appears to be a tiny amount of material at one or more corners that ranges from clear with tiny bubbles to translucent.

Did those come from the same seller?

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The Kaptain

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Hey guys I need your help. I have about 100 CGC graded comics in my collection now and I have noticed that a few of them have what appears to be a tiny amount of material at one or more corners that ranges from clear with tiny bubbles to translucent. I don't know if this is something that is naturally occuring or evidence of tampering. If it were naturally occuring, perhaps it is the inner well extending a bit beyond the outter casing and CGC "melts" it off leaving behind a small and hardly noticable "crust" that ranges from clear with tiny bubbles to translucent. Or perhaps its super glue from someone having tampered with the case?

 

I figure its just a natural inconsistency with the holder manufacturing and/or inner well trimming when it extends a bit beyond the outter case. But with all the posts and concerns with tampering that I see posted, I thought why not just submit some pics and get some feedback from other collectors.

 

I went ahead and paid the $5 for the grader notes to see if comic associated with that label matched up, but unfortunately all I got was one sentence that says "right bottom front cover tiny cover crease that breaks color". I was hoping it would also include some of the other slight defects I see on this comic such as the few stress lines on the spine that break color (which are equally as noticeable as that tiny corner crease).

 

Rather than wonder or just assume, I wanted to post the pics below so that other collectors could share their insight and not only solve this mystery for me but it will probably be also helpful to other "new to CGC" collectors like myself.

I appreciate any help / experience / insight you can provide!

Below are the links to the pics.

 

http://postimage.org/image/5mqpilqt9/

 

http://postimage.org/image/4tjm6j5hf/

 

http://postimage.org/image/53q7mytwn/

 

http://postimage.org/image/n7ya4pxwn/

 

http://postimage.org/image/telbm3dy9/

 

I have hundreds of CGC books and what you are showing in the pictures does not appear normal. None of my CGC cases have anything protruding or oozing out of the corners as yours appear to have. Your pictures appear to show what looks like glue from a hot glue gun.

 

Is the protruding material rubbery or is it hard?

 

Also, like the last poster asked, did you get these all from the same seller?

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lizards2

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I've cracked out a hundred or more CGC books and have plenty more still in the cases. I would say those have been tampered with. :eek:

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The Troll King

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Hey guys I need your help. I have about 100 CGC graded comics in my collection now and I have noticed that a few of them have what appears to be a tiny amount of material at one or more corners that ranges from clear with tiny bubbles to translucent.

Did those come from the same seller?

 

This is a key question as unfortunately those images don't look normal.

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Indrid_Cold

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The material is hard and all these pics are actually from the same CGC holder, I just took it in different places from different angles to hopefully get at least one clear shot.

 

I dont believe they all came from the same seller as I have bought them at different times, but im going to go check my ebay history to make sure, perhaps a few did come from a common seller. I'll check and let you guys know.

 

The wierd thing is there arent any edge cracks, I would figure there would at least be some tiny cracks. I have some other cases which have some tiny edge cracks but on those I dont suspect tampering.

 

I will also check the "ask CGC" as suggested by Poe.

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Indrid_Cold

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Here are 2 pics of another CGC case from my collection that has the questionable material.

 

The pics in my original post (CGC case 1) and these 2 additional pics (CGC case 2) are the most noticeable examples from my collection, and they are from 2 different sellers at different dates. After examining more and more of my collection I see that many of the CGC cases seem to have this material but to a much less noticeable extent, in some cases its only noticeable under very very close inspection (unlike the examples in the pics where the material is obvious and can be physically felt if you run over finger over the edge of the case).

 

http://postimage.org/image/929qbot51/

 

http://postimage.org/image/7rb5urhfh/

 

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Ok I posted on the "ask CGC" forum. I got a message that it wont be posted until reviewed and approved by a moderator. As soon as its on the forum, Ill add the link to this thread so that their findings can be seen by anyone else who wants to know the answer. I

 

Im REALLY hoping this not tampering because if it is then I've been burned by numerous different sellers over a period of about a year. So if it is tampering then this is a pretty widespread practice.

 

What tipped me off is that I just got one which was really noticeable. After reviewing the rest of my collection , I found another really noticeable example, and also that many of my CGC cases do have the same material but in very tiny amounts. For the one I just got that is really noticeable, I already notified the seller that im asking CGC about it. The CGC graders notes show the graded date as 4/09/2012 and since I bought the item on 4/26/2012 then if it was tampered and/or swapped then the person I bought it from may be the culprit.

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Update, even though CGC has yet to post my submission to the "ASK CGC" forum, they did respond to the email I submitted via cgccomics.com/contact. The good news is that after reviewing the pictures via the URL links, their initial feeling is that the material in question is a naturally occuring defect that can occur during the sonic sealing process.

 

This was my initial thought as well, and to have CGC say that is really good news. But of course I wanted to be certain. In the email response, CGC does say that although they feel it is a naturally occuring defect, that its impossible to be 100% certain from pics alone. So my next step will be to mail the case to them for inspection.

 

I'll provide another update once I get more feedback from CGC.

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Indrid_Cold

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On a side note, I just got an order in from comiclink auctions, four more CGC graded items to add to my collection. All four cases have a weird looking corner with that material, in fact one of the cases has it on 2 corners and its just as obvious as in the pics i posted at the start of this thread.

So now that I have some cases from a trusted source that exhibit the same characteristics, I am feeling more and more confident that this is a naturally occurring defect.

 

It's still strange that I am noticing it more and more on these new incoming orders and not so much on older orders. Perhaps the defect is more prevelant on recently slabbed cases and occured far less often on previous batches. Or perhaps now that I know exactly what im looking for I am just noticing it finally.

 

Either way I am still submitting 8 cases to CGC. 7 for damaged cases (one of which also has a corner with the odd material) and 1 case that is not damaged but has a corner with the odd material (the initial pics in my original post).

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