PGM ASM #121

[cozman-migration]

New to the board and new to comic collecting. So Hi.. and thanks! I'm sending some books off to Joey and then to cgc.. I'd like to see how my grading is compared to you experts here. I have no clue how to grade this one so its the first.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/s8j2bs40nrjuslk/ASM%20121%20front.jpeg

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mviopnajcacyqqh/ASM%20121%20back.jpeg

 

 

 

[MODOK]

First of, WELCOME to the forum! You'll love it here. Bunch of real nice people who truly know their stuff when it comes to comic book collecting, grading, etc.

 

This is a gorgeous book. Most definitely one of my favorite ASM covers!

 

OK, I took the liberty of posting the book as a public service to you and the other members of the forum.

 

 

 

 

 

Of course we see what will ultimately torpedo this book:

 

 

 

If not for this major crease, I would say this book would have been worthy of at least a 9.4 or pehaps higher.

 

With this major flaw, I must say it will be between 7.0 to 7.5 IMO.

 

Can others here please tell me (and the OP) what a crease like this will do to a grade? How much would you subtract from an otherwise gem of a book?

[Hado]

Thanks for the pics MODOK, there are also a few spine problems, like beside aunt may and at the bottom of Gwen. I think 7.0 would be tops, however it's a gorgeous 7.0

[MODOK]

Thanks for the pics MODOK, there are also a few spine problems, like beside aunt may and at the bottom of Gwen. I think 7.0 would be tops, however it's a gorgeous 7.0

 

Yup. I see those also. 7.0 is a likely grade IMO. Not sure how Joey will be able to improve it.

 

Hopefully, Sulphur and others will lend their expertise to this.

 

I agree. This is a gorgeous copy.

 

[etanick]

6.5 for me.

[MODOK]

6.5 for me.

 

Hey, I said 7.0, so I'm getting better at my eyeball grades! (thumbs u

[etanick]

we all can get better with time (thumbs u as long as we have results to validate the guesses over time.

 

[MR SigS]

I can't believe I still don't have this issue- outside of a Marvel Tales reprint.

 

I see at least 10 spots on the front spine that break color. The bottom left corner FC has an abrasion, the bottom right corner FC has a tiny chip, the top right corner BC has a slight bindery defect and there's a spine tic right below it, the top edge BC is slightly wrinkled or bent, there is a stain of some kind on the BC in the coupon. I can't tell if it's on the book or the scanner (looks like it's on the book), and of course the FC crease.

 

If I were to go by the Guide this would be a 6.0, but I think there is lots of appeal to help bump it.

 

But to what? hm

 

 

I've seen a 7.0 slab that had 2 big creases like that on the FC so I'd imagine CGC would give 7.0-7.5

 

 

For me... 6.5

 

 

[MR SigS]

we all can get better with time (thumbs u as long as we have results to validate the guesses over time.

 

 

+1

 

Unfortunately the standard by which we use to validate our guesses has been a roller coaster ride lately.

[DR.X]

The size of that crease is considerable. This book would definatley be in the 9.2./9.4 range without the crease. I really don't think it would hit 7.0 but is as least a 6.5

[cozman-migration]

Thanks All! I'll post the results when I get them. Modok thanks for putting the scams up. If it didn't have that big o'l ugly my grade was 9.0, based on my somewhat limited knowledge, i have/had no idea how that crease affected grading. I must say I do like looking at the scans of my books. There is a lot that I'd miss otherwise.

[joeypost]

Even if the book did not have the crease it would still be 9.0 tops. With the crease I would be surprised if it got anything higher than 6.5.

[vaillant]

Phew, so such a crease hammers so much down the grade? Well, it’s understandable, generally speaking creases are the things I hate most.

 

I can't believe I still don't have this issue- outside of a Marvel Tales reprint.

Me too…

 

If I were to go by the Guide this would be a 6.0, but I think there is lots of appeal to help bump it.

Yes, looks like it has great appeal, the spine breaks are difficult to judge from a scan. If the big crease hammers it down so much, I would say between F+ and F/VF too.

[MR SigS]

Modok thanks for putting the scams up.

 

 

Sure hope that a typo and not a slip

 

 

 

 

[cozman-migration]

Whoops. yes a typo. many more to come i'm afraid. can't spell or type.

[MR SigS]

Just playin' with you. WTTB

 

 

MODOK's the one I'm suspicious of

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: This was posted before I started reading the "First problem with eBay buyer" thread. I'm on page 11 now

 

 

I'm staying here. It's quiet.

[oakman29]

The size of that crease is considerable. This book would definatley be in the 9.2./9.4 range without the crease. I really don't think it would hit 7.0 but is as least a 6.5

6.5 for sure.

[dcmannn]

I have it at 8.5 without the crease and 6.5 with.

[Spiderphill]

5.5/6 max

[cozman-migration]

I called and got my CGC grade on this book. I'll leave it hanging for a couple more days if anyone would care to grade it, and then i'll post the CGC result. thanks to all who had already graded.