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I, ROBOT trounces SPIDER-MAN 2

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DiceX

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How's that different than the other sequel machines, except they never seem to stop? Haven't they cranked out a Bond every 3-4 years pretty regularly since Dr. No?

 

They average one movie every 5 or 6 years.

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Yea, their powers are so incredibly stupid and senseless...much like that mad scientist with four mechanical arms whose name escapes me. It'd never work! 893naughty-thumb.gif

 

You're missing the point. Spidey is a very human super-hero...girl problems, job problems, family problems, great power, great responsibility, etc. The "mad scientists" like Osborn and Octavius with power gone amok fit into this scheme. Venom and Carnage do not, and that will become even more apparent if they make it to the big screen in a movie franchise that has, thus far, done a great job of emphasizing the humanity of the Spidey mythos. The critics will throw up all over it and I can pretty much guarantee that the number of pimply, testesterone-addled teenage boys that the franchise picks up by turning Spidey 4 or 5 into a Spidey vs. Venom CGI-fest quasi-sci-fi action flick will be greatly outnumbered by the number of females and non-fanboy viewers tuning out of the franchise (for good, most likely).

 

Mark my words, the first movie to feature Venom as the lead villain will spell the death the franchise. Marvel & Sony would do well to continue making the Spidey flicks accessible to all audiences and not catering to what the drooling fanboys want to see.

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And as you so thoughtfully pointed out, Spidey doesn't have enough decent villains to last the course. tongue.gif

 

Ohhhhh, some of them are entertaining, I guess...I only point that out because there hasn't been a major Spidey villain in the same category as a Doom, Galactus, or Magneto that crosses over to many other titles (unless you count Punisher, but I count him more as a dark hero).

 

Kraven and Mysterio could be great villains if handled well as Bendis and Smith have handled them in recent years.

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How's that different than the other sequel machines, except they never seem to stop? Haven't they cranked out a Bond every 3-4 years pretty regularly since Dr. No?

 

They average one movie every 5 or 6 years.

 

There have been 20 "official" Bond movies in 42 years (i.e., excluding Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again), so it's more like 1 every 2 years. However, there was a very long lag between 1989's "Licence to Kill" and 1995's "Goldeneye".

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You're missing the point. Spidey is a very human super-hero...girl problems, job problems, money problems, great power, great responsibility, etc. The "mad scientists" like Osborn and Octavius with power gone amok fit into this scheme. Venom and Carnage do not, and that will become even more apparent if they make it to the big screen in a movie franchise that has, thus far, done a great job of emphasizing the humanity of the Spidey mythos. The critics will throw up all over it and I can pretty much guarantee that the number of pimply, testesterone-addled teenage boys that the franchise picks up by turning Spidey 4 or 5 into a Spidey vs. Venom CGI-fest quasi-sci-fi action flick will be greatly outnumbered by the number of females and non-fanboy viewers tuning out of the franchise (for good, most likely).

 

You're also missing the point--people like Venom's powers. His aren't any more dumb than Doc Ock's. I mostly agree with you that Venom's origins in the main title are rather stupid, but so is that of a lot of the Spidey villains.

 

Modern writers are taking the villains with cool powers and fixing what was always wrong with them. They did a GREAT job in the film at fixing what was wrong with Doc Ock in the comic, and Bendis has already done that with Venom. Many of the elements of the films seem to be directly inspired by the Ultimate line--Doc Ock and Goblin definitely were--and the modified Ultimate Venom isn't as dumb as he used to be.

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You're missing the point. Spidey is a very human super-hero...girl problems, job problems, money problems, great power, great responsibility, etc. The "mad scientists" like Osborn and Octavius with power gone amok fit into this scheme. Venom and Carnage do not, and that will become even more apparent if they make it to the big screen in a movie franchise that has, thus far, done a great job of emphasizing the humanity of the Spidey mythos. The critics will throw up all over it and I can pretty much guarantee that the number of pimply, testesterone-addled teenage boys that the franchise picks up by turning Spidey 4 or 5 into a Spidey vs. Venom CGI-fest quasi-sci-fi action flick will be greatly outnumbered by the number of females and non-fanboy viewers tuning out of the franchise (for good, most likely).

 

You're also missing the point--people like Venom's powers. His aren't any more dumb than Doc Ock's. I mostly agree with you that Venom's origins in the main title are rather stupid, but so is that of a lot of the Spidey villains.

 

Modern writers are taking the villains with cool powers and fixing what was always wrong with them. They did a GREAT job in the film at fixing what was wrong with Doc Ock in the comic, and Bendis has already done that with Venom. Many of the elements of the films seem to be directly inspired by the Ultimate line--Doc Ock and Goblin definitely were--and the modified Ultimate Venom isn't as dumb as he used to be.

 

What's dumb about an alien symbiote? confused.gif

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What's dumb about an alien symbiote? confused.gif

 

I'll let the Venom haters explain that one to you. I've always rather liked the symbiote storyline from Secret Wars 8 to Spidey 300.

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How's that different than the other sequel machines, except they never seem to stop? Haven't they cranked out a Bond every 3-4 years pretty regularly since Dr. No?

 

They average one movie every 5 or 6 years.

 

There have been 20 "official" Bond movies in 42 years (i.e., excluding Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again), so it's more like 1 every 2 years. However, there was a very long lag between 1989's "Licence to Kill" and 1995's "Goldeneye".

 

I need to learn to work a calculator.

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How's that different than the other sequel machines, except they never seem to stop? Haven't they cranked out a Bond every 3-4 years pretty regularly since Dr. No?

 

They average one movie every 5 or 6 years.

 

There have been 20 "official" Bond movies in 42 years (i.e., excluding Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again), so it's more like 1 every 2 years. However, there was a very long lag between 1989's "Licence to Kill" and 1995's "Goldeneye".

 

I need to learn to work a calculator.

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You're also missing the point--people like Venom's powers. His aren't any more dumb than Doc Ock's. I mostly agree with you that Venom's origins in the main title are rather stupid, but so is that of a lot of the Spidey villains.

 

It's not about powers, it's about the humanity in the Spidey mythos, which is even more pointed in the movie franchise. Introduce Venom into the mix and you will lose a good portion of the non-fanboy audience and most of the critics' support. Furthermore, "people" don't like Venom's powers - drooling fanboys and Marvel Zombies do. I'm quite sure that the average non-comics reading Spidey movie viewer will find Venom to be far more tedious and a lot less interesting than you do. For that matter, I suspect that the movie-going public will also be far less enthralled by the upcoming FF movie than you FF die-hards think.

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How's that different than the other sequel machines, except they never seem to stop? Haven't they cranked out a Bond every 3-4 years pretty regularly since Dr. No?

 

They average one movie every 5 or 6 years.

 

There have been 20 "official" Bond movies in 42 years (i.e., excluding Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again), so it's more like 1 every 2 years. However, there was a very long lag between 1989's "Licence to Kill" and 1995's "Goldeneye".

 

I need to learn to work a calculator.

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Until you do, you could be a Revenue Canada auditor. 893crossfingers-thumb.gif

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How's that different than the other sequel machines, except they never seem to stop? Haven't they cranked out a Bond every 3-4 years pretty regularly since Dr. No?

 

They average one movie every 5 or 6 years.

 

There have been 20 "official" Bond movies in 42 years (i.e., excluding Casino Royale and Never Say Never Again), so it's more like 1 every 2 years. However, there was a very long lag between 1989's "Licence to Kill" and 1995's "Goldeneye".

 

I need to learn to work a calculator.

foreheadslap.gif

 

Until you do, you could be a Revenue Canada auditor. 893crossfingers-thumb.gif

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Maybe after they do the Venom one, the next villain can be Predator!!?! Then the next one can be Spider-man saves the planet from intergalactic invaders!!!

I'm with Gene, Venom would be a last resort on the big screen. There's many other Spider-man villains that would be better. Hell, I'd even take a villain made up just for the movie over Venom.

 

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For that matter, I suspect that the movie-going public will also be far less enthralled by the upcoming FF movie than you FF die-hards think.

 

It just wouldn't be a post in the Comics thread without Gene peeing in someone's cheerios. 27_laughing.gif

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