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Certified Collectibles Group (CCG) Acquires Classics Incorporated
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seanfingh

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This book was pressed. Recessed staples. 9.8

Not Silver Age. Not Marvel. Discuss.

- What did it look like before pressing?

- In my opinion, it shouldn't merit a 9.8

 

Most wouldn't. It was from the press, which I took directly from the presser and submitted to CGC.

So in line with what you're saying, I have to wonder, is CGC going to see recessed staples across the entire range of comics, as NOT a defect, simply because pressing can cause it? Wouldn't that be the safe business model?

Obviously it raises some questions but...

Can you imagine them pressing a book, recessing the staples, and then downgrading for it? Disastrous.

 

 

You still do not know what happened to the book from the time it left your hands to the time it was placed within the CGC holder. It would have gone through multiple hands, multiple procedures and travelled many miles.

 

Not saying it didn't happen during pressing (I have had damage happen during a pressing job to books - comics are fragile and personally, if I was a presser I'd never guarantee that something can't happen) but it isn't conclusive unless you were the one that put the book in the press and removed it.

 

Yeah, Chuck you big liar. You have no idea. Haven't you heard of staple fairies? They bang on comic staples with their tiny fairy tinker hammers until they become recessed. Plus it might be that Paul Litch rams his groin into staples until they recess. Unless you have seen him not do this, you can't be certain that it isn't Litch hump recess syndrome.
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Mike's Rack

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Fingh, when God handed out funny you must have been first in line

 

I've only made it through half of this thread but I'm wondering, will this service include applying "small pieces of tape" to my detached golden age covers and will they guarantee a blue label for that?

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ChrisInBaltimore

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:popcorn:

 

I haven't posted in here yet- just been watching the fallout on this.

 

The next year of comics is going to be interesting. For the past few months people have been saying the bubble was going to burst on the market. This might be exactly what causes that.

 

Movies have really driven up the price on key books to the point that the common collector couldn't move into the market. With this purchase, people aren't going to trust CGC in the same way.

 

Will it change their practices? I'd like to imagine it won't, but at the same time I don't see how it couldn't.

 

As so many have said, this is the prime time for another company to come along. I wouldn't mind seeing it either. CGC has had a monopoly on grading for far too long. Competition is only health, and it might help to keep CGC honest.

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skypinkblu

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Just is just my opinion, but please do not attempt to compare the pressing of comic books to another collecting field that you may not be educated in. All that this does is either make you look like you do not know what you are talking about; or causes someone who is knowledgeable in the stated field to come and state facts, thus proving you wrong.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but this is so undeserved. :facepalm: It's pretty clear that you don't know who you are 'talking' to on these boards. If so, you might not be so confident in your 'expertise.'

 

When it comes to the hobby we talk about on these pages most of the time, I'll take Moondog's opinion over yours any day.

 

OPINION duly noted.

 

 

 

 

Moondog is truly an expert in the field of comics and one who is very well respected. He's also a very bright, thoughtful and kind person, overall.

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gyro-1

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What is it about antiquing that brings out an individual's pompousness? (shrug) You're just buying expensive refuse.

 

Although, come to think of it, I buy pulp and ink for thousands of dollars. hm

 

And when the pulp and ink is old and falling apart and placed in a plastic container so we cant touch it we even pay more for it !

:insane:

 

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Jeffro.

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Just is just my opinion, but please do not attempt to compare the pressing of comic books to another collecting field that you may not be educated in. All that this does is either make you look like you do not know what you are talking about; or causes someone who is knowledgeable in the stated field to come and state facts, thus proving you wrong.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but this is so undeserved. :facepalm: It's pretty clear that you don't know who you are 'talking' to on these boards. If so, you might not be so confident in your 'expertise.'

 

When it comes to the hobby we talk about on these pages most of the time, I'll take Moondog's opinion over yours any day.

 

Well, to be fair, mint, moondog was only asking a question. He didn't seem to be stating or implying anything. You coming on here and explaining is pretty much what he was looking for. (thumbs u

 

Andy

 

Exactly, hence no need for the supercilious attitude.

 

This was not said to be taken that way. I think you know this.

 

Kind Regards,

 

'mint'

 

Edited to add: I do apologize if it was taken INCORRECTLY. Fair enough?

 

You do seem to have a lot of valuable knowledge but the way you phrase your comments often results in them being interpreted the wrong way. For example, you couldn't just answer Moondog, you had to throw in the usual, "you're not an expert, you don't know what you're talking about" type of commentary that you are known for.

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Just is just my opinion, but please do not attempt to compare the pressing of comic books to another collecting field that you may not be educated in. All that this does is either make you look like you do not know what you are talking about; or causes someone who is knowledgeable in the stated field to come and state facts, thus proving you wrong.

But this is exactly YOUR M.O. - to come on here and attempt to translate your antiquing experience into lessons for comic collectors with 3-4 decades of experience.

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Wow. Just read the thread. What a gag. The once invisible treatment trinity now publically codified by a corporate collusion communique (CCG-CGC-CI). Are they gonna create new labels with disclosure stamps, too? Kinda hard for the experts to claim they can’t tell if a book received the treatment or not now. Easy day when it comes to that. Just refer to the submission form and the check-marked boxes for services requested to determine manipulation procedures rendered. I can see it now... a new label symbolic of the colorful CI website bejeweled by a Seal of Enhancement that denotes Intact Pressing, Disassembled Pressing, Arrival Date Erased, Pedigree Removed, Folio Replaced, Restoration Removed, Cover Reattached, Centerfold Reattached, etc., etc., etc. Oh happy day. Talk about a win/win. Disclosure is a wonderful thing. Thank you, CGC. Your stewardship of the comic collecting hobby and commitment to protecting the hobbyist is commendable. (thumbs u

Manufactured Gold illustrated, charted, documented and exposed exactly how the system operates. An amazing effort and community service.

 

A thread that should've been sticky-ed was locked and then expunged. Had to be. Actions communicate the true attitude toward "collector's best interests" clearer than a hundred promotional press releases.

 

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Lunchbox-migration

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What will happen when CGC owns the company?

 

 

CGC will not own the company. They will be sister companies.

 

 

It is CCG that is buying Matt's company.

 

Classics only works on comics, unless they spread out to coins and cards, the issue is only relevant with CGC items...so the relationship is there, between the two parts of the umbrella company.

 

 

So why has there never been a problem with CCG owning both NGC and NCS?

 

How's the health of that market fared?

 

In my opinion, it is a necessary evil. One that is accepted and used. Think of it this way, if you have a wondeful coin collection and your house burns down, I guarantee you will call NCS. Any collector would. If you discover a 'rare' coin covered in 'grime' and horribly toned, you can use the services of NCS. It is accepted in the marketplace.

 

'mint'

 

What about currency pressing? Has that too become acceptable?

 

Once again you are comparing 'apples to oranges.' Currency (i.e. paper money) is made out linen just as much as it paper (actually more). Currency is printed with raised inks which help create embossing. Therefore, 'pressing' can be proven and actually causes the removal of the embossing on the note. A comic book being 'pressed' cannot be determined 100% of the time. If I stack a collection of high grade raw comic books tightly in a box for a period of time, you would not be able to (if done right) tell the 'pressed' book from the book from the box.

 

Therefore, the pressing of currency actually causes physical damage to the piece in question. Pressing a comic book (when done right) does not. Personally, I will not buy currency without the 'EPQ' or 'PPQ' designation.

 

This argument has been brought up numerous times on this very forum and cross-collectors like myself have each time attempted to explain this.

 

Also, as to the PM's and emails I have been receiving, I really do not want to enter a discussion comparing art to comic books; or even antiques. As I have said many times before, what goes on in the comic book collecting field does not even hold a 'candle' to what goes on in other collecting fields. This is such a minor issue in my opinion, it does not bother me at all. I have listed examples in this thread and others. Not that anyone cares, but 'pressing' (as I have said multiple times throughout this same thread) is considered minor conservation to me; not restoration. It also does not deserve to get this much attention in my opinion. I did post a thread several days ago in another sub-forum, about my FIRST experience with 'pressing.' I still continue to buy high grade books that I know have been pressed as well.

 

Just is just my opinion, but please do not attempt to compare the pressing of comic books to another collecting field that you may not be educated in. All that this does is either make you look like you do not know what you are talking about; or causes someone who is knowledgeable in the stated field to come and state facts, thus proving you wrong.

 

Respectfully,

 

'mint'

 

Wow, if anyone was on the fence about you being a condescending prick, they are no longer on the fence.

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