the authority Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Just shifting perspective... If a low percentage of people hold a high percentage of #1, with the print numbers being fairly consistent... I doubt people have 100 #3s for instance. In my limited knowledge I feel as if prices should continue to slowly rise as hoarders drip copies into the proverbial vain of the market. I only have 10 copies Bee Tee Dubs. Correct assumption. Speculators might try 100 of 1, 1000 of 1, or 10 of 1 but the return on number 2 is almost never as good and the returns get worse the deeper it goes unless characters are introduced or there is some other mitigating circumstance such as errors/recalls. I think that with books like Pretty Deadly, Rat Queens, Letter 44, and others in the pipeline, speculator money has and will thin out or I could be wrong Where is CBT when I need him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the authority Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Not to derail the thread, but does anyone know why Preacher #1 doesn't go higher? People LOVE this book, many consider it a modern classic, but getting it in high grades is cheap and easy. Makes zero sense to me. Definitely a big one in the last 20 years. I would think it would fall somewhere slightly below Sandman but above most stuff. How much does it get ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fufat70 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I just can't fathom a book with a print run north of 50K is going to command $125 or more long term slabbed, even with the popularity. Supply v. demand I agree.... but how many printings did #1 go through. That shows that the supply of the 1st printing didn't meet the demand. So.... many had to be happy with 2nd, then 3rd then 4th. It's just the way my brain see's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEI Reborn Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Just shifting perspective... If a low percentage of people hold a high percentage of #1, with the print numbers being fairly consistent... I doubt people have 100 #3s for instance. In my limited knowledge I feel as if prices should continue to slowly rise as hoarders drip copies into the proverbial vain of the market. I only have 10 copies Bee Tee Dubs. Correct assumption. Speculators might try 100 of 1, 1000 of 1, or 10 of 1 but the return on number 2 is almost never as good and the returns get worse the deeper it goes unless characters are introduced or there is some other mitigating circumstance such as errors/recalls. I think that with books like Pretty Deadly, Rat Queens, Letter 44, and others in the pipeline, speculator money has and will thin out or I could be wrong Where is CBT when I need him ? Only thing that is starting to slow me down is space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the authority Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) Saga #1 had a 35K print run. And I do think 15K is a big difference. According to comichron Saga 1 was 37,641. East of West was 49518. Both numbers included the variants. I would think but can't be positive that EOW had more variants based on 2 covers as opposed to 1. If the EOW variants were as rare as Saga, I believe they would be bringing more money than they currently do. I think the net number is closer to 10,000 difference. Still substantial but like I said before, I personally think EOW is the better book. I'm just one guy though. Time will tell. Edited August 19, 2013 by The Authority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the authority Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Just shifting perspective... If a low percentage of people hold a high percentage of #1, with the print numbers being fairly consistent... I doubt people have 100 #3s for instance. In my limited knowledge I feel as if prices should continue to slowly rise as hoarders drip copies into the proverbial vain of the market. I only have 10 copies Bee Tee Dubs. Correct assumption. Speculators might try 100 of 1, 1000 of 1, or 10 of 1 but the return on number 2 is almost never as good and the returns get worse the deeper it goes unless characters are introduced or there is some other mitigating circumstance such as errors/recalls. I think that with books like Pretty Deadly, Rat Queens, Letter 44, and others in the pipeline, speculator money has and will thin out or I could be wrong Where is CBT when I need him ? Only thing that is starting to slow me down is space Hahahahaha. We all have that problem I think. I used to have 3 rooms full of junk. Four kids later, I have a walk in closet and the corner of a room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krighton Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 space? i have a 6 foot x 7.5 foot space that not only holds all my comics but is also my work space for my small business, and it ain't comics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the authority Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 (edited) space? i have a 6 foot x 7.5 foot space that not only holds all my comics but is also my work space for my small business, and it ain't comics. You could build a desk out of long boxes and chairs out of shorties. It could be like a Swiss Army office Edited August 19, 2013 by The Authority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krighton Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 i really need to do something, i'm stepping over boxes to get to my chair....my swivel chair hits the wall halfway through a rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer Toast Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Read issue five today and... Anyone saying Moderns suck is sticking his crack pipe in the wrong hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the authority Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Read issue five today and... Anyone saying Moderns suck is sticking his crack pipe in the wrong hole. ...and I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsJustRyan Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I wouldn't have thought Saga 1 would have hovered $50-$70 with all the copies out there...but it has. Great point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emezy360 Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Read issue five today and... Anyone saying Moderns suck is sticking his crack pipe in the wrong hole. ...and I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranx Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Know that for a fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the authority Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 This time it states 1 copy. Not my sale. I just find it interesting. http://www.ebay.com/itm/EAST-OF-WEST-1-IMAGE-COMIC-BOOK-1ST-PRINT-LOT-HICKMAN-DRAGOTTA-2013-NM-/261258404091?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3cd436e0fb BTW, with the intro of a new character and no second prints, #5 is possibly an important book. Take a look at this http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/08/16/saga-13-sells-out-62000-print-run-walking-dead-113-of-76000-and-east-of-west-5-of-41000-jonathan-hickman-tells-us-why/ I think this will be the last issue with a print run this low for a while. It sounds like Image is upping the ante. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjrjr Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I just can't fathom a book with a print run north of 50K is going to command $125 or more long term slabbed, even with the popularity. Supply v. demand I agree.... but how many printings did #1 go through. That shows that the supply of the 1st printing didn't meet the demand. So.... many had to be happy with 2nd, then 3rd then 4th. It's just the way my brain see's it. I suspect the supply is more than ample to meet the demand when you consider all the people holding multiple copies hoping for this comic to rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garf Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 You guys know how this forum can drive demand... the current wave of $5 - 10 sales will be every speculator with only 1-2 copies pooping themselves and pulling the trigger after hearing about the 100's others have hoarded not wanting to miss the boat that everyone seems to be thinking is setting sail. It's still going to need time to prove itself... There will be a few readers mixed in with that. Would not surprise me if 10%+ of the print run is speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Designer Toast Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Read issue five today and... Anyone saying Moderns suck is sticking his crack pipe in the wrong hole. ...and I agree. I was a kid who started reading comic books in the late 70s through the mid 90s. I started collecting again in 2004 or so. When I came to these boards, there were some people who did nothing but whine about how crappy moderns were - it got old quick, considering the amount of quality material out there now. I guess some people are just stuck in the past. Anyhow, I am seriously digging a lot more books than I thought I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krighton Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 This time it states 1 copy. Not my sale. I just find it interesting. http://www.ebay.com/itm/EAST-OF-WEST-1-IMAGE-COMIC-BOOK-1ST-PRINT-LOT-HICKMAN-DRAGOTTA-2013-NM-/261258404091?pt=US_Comic_Books&hash=item3cd436e0fb people bought it thinking they were getting 3 copies.....flim flammery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEI Reborn Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 space? i have a 6 foot x 7.5 foot space that not only holds all my comics but is also my work space for my small business, and it ain't comics. You could build a desk out of long boxes and chairs out of shorties. It could be like a Swiss Army office Bwahahah! That would be hilarious i really need to do something, i'm stepping over boxes to get to my chair....my swivel chair hits the wall halfway through a rotation. Pics or BS Read issue five today and... Anyone saying Moderns suck is sticking his crack pipe in the wrong hole. That is a messed up image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
