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Transition points leading to what we know today as the Copper Age
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Whenever-1938 Platinum Age

1938-1949 Golden Age

1949-1961 Atomic Age

1961-1969 Silver Age*

1970-1981 Bronze Age

1982-1991 Copper Age

1991-2001 Chromium Age

2001-Current Modern Age

 

* Marvel Zombie viewpoint anyway.

 

All this great discussion caused some shifts in perception. Interesting!

 

I'm open to discussion on the topic. I really don't concur with the idea that Spidey # 1 was the beginning of the Chromium Age, but I wrote it into my post above as a trial, kinda like putting four sample paints on a blank wall and talking a step back to determine which you like best.

 

If we were to define the Copper Age, besides the independent publishers and tv tie-in properties that I believe are essential to distinguishing it from the Bronze Age, I think another crucial definition is the explosion of bloated print runs from the era from the mainline publishers. There is a reason you can still find Moon Knight # 1s in dollar boxes despite the fact that its a 30 year old book; because it was overprinted like you wouldn't believe. X-Men # 1, Spidey # 1, ASM # 238 & 300, G.I. Joe # 1, Batman: the Dark Knight # 1, all of these pivotal books of the age are available "in quantity", and will be still uncovered in store stocks and speculation hordes for years to come.

 

I liked the idea of extending the Copper Age to 1996/1997 or so because by then, so many of the print runs had been slashed, with dozens of titles cancelled due to lack of interest and readership, and the Marvel titles being redone due to the Onslaught storyline. Kinda liked what happened after WW2 when the superhero characters started fading in popularity, and you had the rise of horror, sci-fi, and romance titles that would lead people to dub the last 5-10 years of the GA as the Atomic Age.

 

 

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Perlmans decision to have Marvel buy Heroes World and self distribute has to be a game changer. A direct result of this was Diamond stepping up from a regional distributor to the exclusive distributor for DC and Image. These moves, plus the absolute flood of books marvel forced their accounts to buy forced most of the smaller, under-financed shops out of business and did a number on smaller publishers as well. A shop who sees his weekly Marvel bill go from $300 to well over a thousand, and his shipping bills go up 500% no longer has money to take a chance on a new book he isn't familiar with.

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Whenever-1938 Platinum Age

1938-1949 Golden Age

1949-1961 Atomic Age

1961-1969 Silver Age*

1970-1981 Bronze Age

1982-1991 Copper Age

1991-2001 Chromium Age

2001-Current Modern Age

 

* Marvel Zombie viewpoint anyway.

 

All this great discussion caused some shifts in perception. Interesting!

 

1955-1969 Silver Age

1970-1982 Bronze Age

1983-1996 Copper Age

 

What's the split between the 1991 end of Copper and 1991 beginning of Chromium?

 

If we are really going to call it the Chromium age the cutoff should be Bloodshot 1 / Superman 75 (Feb 1993, BS1 coincided with Death of Superman).

 

I would favor a different name and using Harbinger 1 (Jan 1992) as the cutoff. 2c I'm fond of "Pyrite Age" but I doubt that can catch on.

 

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The shift from drugstore spinner racks to comic shops as far as the major comic book hub.

 

The emergence of comics as art/literature type work, like RAW.

 

The self publishing explosion, particularly the black and white stuff.

 

The near extinction of fantasy/horror mags.

 

Alternative comics.

 

Critically acclaimed graphic novels.

 

Non canon (or should I say out-of-continuity) mainstream super hero stories for an adult market.

 

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Whenever-1938 Platinum Age

1938-1949 Golden Age

1949-1961 Atomic Age

1961-1969 Silver Age*

1970-1981 Bronze Age

1982-1991 Copper Age

1991-2001 Chromium Age

2001-Current Modern Age

 

* Marvel Zombie viewpoint anyway.

 

Here's an option that's not debatable... but what's the fun in a naming system for paper goods based on reality instead of decreasingly-valued metals, right?

 

1930-1939 - 1930s

1940-1949 - 1940s

1950-1959 - 1950s

1960-1969 - 1960s

1970-1979 - 1970s

1980-1989 - 1980s

1990-1999 - 1990s

2000-2009 - 2000s

2010-present - 2010s

 

For example:

 

Comic Collector: "I collect comics from the Copper Age to early Chromium Age."

Normal Person: "What does that mean?"

Comic Collector: "Comics from the 1980s and early 1990s"

Normal Person: "Oh. Why didn't you just say that?"

Comic Collector: "Because it makes me feel like a big shot to label my things with obscure unrelated material references, which can be internally inconsistent and controversial but are definitely obfuscatory."

Normal Person: "What does THAT mean?"

Comic Collector: "I'm a disposable Summer's Eve product."

Normal Person: "Agreed."

 

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1930-1939 - 1930s

1940-1949 - 1940s

1950-1959 - 1950s

1960-1969 - 1960s

1970-1979 - 1970s

1980-1989 - 1980s

1990-1999 - 1990s

2000-2009 - 2000s

2010-present - 2010s

Actually, this relates more to real conversations with non-collectors to cut down on an entire mini-history of what makes up an age. Then it just comes down to explain what books fall into that period.

 

Collector: "I collect certain books from the 1980s to the early 1990s."

 

Unanointed: "Oh really? I read comics back then. Which ones?"

 

Collector: "Omaha the Cat Dancer, Dave Stevens hot ladies cover art books, Cherry Poptart."

 

Unanointed: "So porn, semi-porn, and books with sexual references."

 

Collector: "No! Books from the 1980s to the early 1990s."

 

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Collector: "I collect certain books from the 1980s to the early 1990s."

 

Unanointed: "Oh really? I read comics back then. Which ones?"

 

Collector: "Omaha the Cat Dancer, Dave Stevens hot ladies cover art books, Cherry Poptart."

 

Unanointed: "So porn, semi-porn, and books with sexual references."

 

Collector: "No! Books from the 1980s to the early 1990s."

 

:whee:

 

Unanointed: "You're such a disposable Summer's Eve product."

 

Collector: "Yes, but I also have AWESOME books!"

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Labeling primarily by decades almost seems inevitable. Grading went from G, VG, F, etc. to 2.0, 4.0, 6.0, I'm sure in no small part because it was deemed easier for a larger audience to understand. Same thing here, right? It would be a shame though to dilute some of what we as collectors know each age represents.

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  • May 1979: Daredevil 158- First Miller art
  • Nov 1979: Iron Man #128 "Demon in a Bottle"
  • Feb 1980: She-Hulk #1
  • Mar 1980: King Conan 1
  • Apr 1980: Star Trek 1
  • Spring 1980: Epic Illustrated 1
  • Sep 1980: X-Men 137- Death of Dark Phoenix
  • Oct 1980: DC Presents 26- first New Teen Titans
  • Nov 1980: New Teen Titans 1
  • Nov 1980: Moon Knight gets his own series
  • 1980 : Superboy Spectacular- Direct Sales only 1-shot
  • Jan 1981: Daredevil 168- First Miller -script; Intro Elektra
  • Jan 1981: X-Men 141 "Days of Future Past" launches alternate timeline which would form the basis for many X-continuity books/characters over the next several years.
  • Jan 1981: Capital Comics launches and publishes Nexus 1
  • Mar 1981: X-Men 143- Final Claremont/Byrne
  • Mar 1981: Dazzler 1- First direct-sales-only for an ongoing series
  • Mar 1981: Bizarre Adventures starts
  • Mar 1981: Captain Canuck is cancelled
  • May 1981: Eclipse Magazine starts
  • June 1981: The Hulk magazine ends
  • Jul 1981: Fantastic Four 232 - Byrne takes over FF writing/art duties.
  • Aug 1981: Rogue debuts
  • Aug 1981: Marvel Premiere ends
  • Nov 1981: Captain Victory 1- First Pacific Comics issue, direct-only publisher
  • 1981: Marvel cancels many of its reprint titles, including MGC, AA, TTA, MSA, etc.
  • 1981: Stan Lee moves to California to head Marvel TV/movie properties, leaving Jim Shooter in charge
  • Jan 1982: Comico Comics founded: publishes Comico Primer #1.
  • Feb 1982: Comico Primer #2 introduces the character Grendel (Hunter Rose) by Matt Wagner.
  • March 1982: Warrior Magazine #1 (Marvelman, V for Vendetta)
  • May 1982: Saga of the Swamp Thing #1
  • June 1982: G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero #1
  • June 1982: Marvel Super-Hero Contest of Champions #1 (first Marvel mini-series, precursor to Secret Wars)
  • Sept 1982: Love and Rockets debuts
  • Sept 1982: Wolverine Mini #1
  • 1982: Harvey Comics, Warren Publishing and Spire Comics cease operations
  • 1982: DC cancels remaining Horror titles
  • 1982: Start of creator royalties at Marvel and DC
  • 1982: Steve Geppi founds Diamond
  • 1982: Marvel introduces Graphic Novel series, including Death of Captain Marvel and X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills.
  • Dec 1982: New Mutants introduction published in Marvel Graphic Novel #4, leading to a 1983-1991 dedicated title.
  • Jan 1983: Bill Willingham’s The Elementals introduced as part of backup story of Justice Machine Annual 1 (Texas Comics).
  • Jan 1983: Albedo Anthropomorphics #0 published by Steven Gallacci.
  • Feb 1983: The Buyer's Guide to Comics Fandom is acquired by Krause Publications and changes its name to Comics Buyer's Guide.
  • Mar 1983: Warp published by First Comics, which also is its first comic by this later recognized independent publisher.
  • May 1983: Jason Todd makes his debut as the second Robin in Detective Comics #526.
  • Jun 1983: Master of Kung Fu, with issue #125, is cancelled by Marvel.
  • Jun 1983: Marvel Two-in-One, with issue #100, is cancelled by Marvel (replaced the following month by the new title The Thing).
  • Jun 1983: Jon Sable published by First Comics.
  • Jul 1983: First issue of Frank Miller's Ronin limited series published by DC Comics.
  • Jul 1983: Final issue of Brave and the Bold; also features a preview insert for the new title Batman and the Outsiders.
  • Jul 1983: Mike Baron’s The Badger #1 published by Capital Comics.
  • Aug 1983: Alan Moore's "The Bojeffries Saga" starts with Warrior #12, published by Quality Communications (continued through 1986).
  • Aug 1983: Harris Publications acquired Warren Publishing's company assets (Vampirella, Creepy, Eerie); later gives up Creepy and Eerie.
  • Sep 1983: With issue #503, DC ceases publishing Adventure Comics, which had been running continuously since November 1938.
  • Oct 1983: House of Mystery, with issue #321, canceled by DC.
  • Oct 1983: American Flagg! published by First Comics.
  • Nov 1983: Walt Simonson makes his debut as writer/artist on Thor with issue #337; introduces Beta Ray Bill.
  • 1983: DC Comics acquires most of Charlton's superhero characters (includes Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, The Question).
  • Jan 1984: Alan Moore takes over writing responsibilities for Saga of the Swamp Thing title with issue #20.
  • May 1984: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 published by Mirage Studios.
  • May 1984: Marvel launches the Secret Wars; includes the introduction of a Spider-Man black suit in issue #8.
  • Nov 1984: Albedo Anthropomorphics #2 contains Stan Sakai’s “The Goblin of Adachigahara”, introducing Usagi Yojimbo.
  • 1984: Antarctic Press, Continuity Comics, Deluxe Comics, Matrix Graphic Series, and Renegade Press launch comic publication.

 

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12-15 years :o you can take as much of the 90's as you want, the chromium age guys are a disorganized non-existent mess and modern guys don't want it. :baiting:

The modern dudes just transitioned from the SAGAH!!! :sumo: era to the East of West/Sixth Gun era...

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:whatev:

 

 

I'm too young to remember the early good bronze stuff on the rack... ;)

I will now rewrite history and claim that in the above blatherings from April 7th, 2013 that I (with some help from Kevin Spacey) correctly predicted the fall of 6th Gun...

 

"On May 8, 2013, The Hollywood Reporter reported that NBC had passed on the series."

:sumo::acclaim:

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Added the launch of Eclipse Comics to the transition list, a company that was a heavy-hitter for a while during the Copper Age before its crash.

 

  • Aug 1978: Eclipse Comics publishes Sabre: Slow Fade of an Endangered Species by Don McGregor and Paul Gulacy (one of the earliest of graphic novels, and first exclusive to Direct Market)
  • May 1979: Daredevil 158- First Miller art
  • Nov 1979: Iron Man #128 "Demon in a Bottle"
  • Feb 1980: She-Hulk #1
  • Mar 1980: King Conan 1
  • Apr 1980: Star Trek 1
  • Spring 1980: Epic Illustrated 1
  • Sep 1980: X-Men 137- Death of Dark Phoenix
  • Oct 1980: DC Presents 26- first New Teen Titans
  • Nov 1980: New Teen Titans 1
  • Nov 1980: Moon Knight gets his own series
  • 1980 : Superboy Spectacular- Direct Sales only 1-shot
  • Jan 1981: Daredevil 168- First Miller -script; Intro Elektra
  • Jan 1981: X-Men 141 "Days of Future Past" launches alternate timeline which would form the basis for many X-continuity books/characters over the next several years.
  • Jan 1981: Capital Comics launches and publishes Nexus 1
  • Mar 1981: X-Men 143- Final Claremont/Byrne
  • Mar 1981: Dazzler 1- First direct-sales-only for an ongoing series
  • Mar 1981: Bizarre Adventures starts
  • Mar 1981: Captain Canuck is cancelled
  • May 1981: Eclipse Magazine starts
  • June 1981: The Hulk magazine ends
  • Jul 1981: Fantastic Four 232 - Byrne takes over FF writing/art duties.
  • Aug 1981: Rogue debuts
  • Aug 1981: Marvel Premiere ends
  • Nov 1981: Captain Victory 1- First Pacific Comics issue, direct-only publisher
  • 1981: Marvel cancels many of its reprint titles, including MGC, AA, TTA, MSA, etc.
  • 1981: Stan Lee moves to California to head Marvel TV/movie properties, leaving Jim Shooter in charge
  • Jan 1982: Comico Comics founded: publishes Comico Primer #1.
  • Feb 1982: Comico Primer #2 introduces the character Grendel (Hunter Rose) by Matt Wagner.
  • March 1982: Warrior Magazine #1 (Marvelman, V for Vendetta)
  • May 1982: Saga of the Swamp Thing #1
  • June 1982: G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero #1
  • June 1982: Marvel Super-Hero Contest of Champions #1 (first Marvel mini-series, precursor to Secret Wars)
  • Sept 1982: Love and Rockets debuts
  • Sept 1982: Wolverine Mini #1
  • 1982: Harvey Comics, Warren Publishing and Spire Comics cease operations
  • 1982: DC cancels remaining Horror titles
  • 1982: Start of creator royalties at Marvel and DC
  • 1982: Steve Geppi founds Diamond
  • 1982: Marvel introduces Graphic Novel series, including Death of Captain Marvel and X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills.
  • Dec 1982: New Mutants introduction published in Marvel Graphic Novel #4, leading to a 1983-1991 dedicated title.
  • Jan 1983: Bill Willingham’s The Elementals introduced as part of backup story of Justice Machine Annual 1 (Texas Comics).
  • Jan 1983: Albedo Anthropomorphics #0 published by Steven Gallacci.
  • Feb 1983: The Buyer's Guide to Comics Fandom is acquired by Krause Publications and changes its name to Comics Buyer's Guide.
  • Mar 1983: Warp published by First Comics, which also is its first comic by this later recognized independent publisher.
  • May 1983: Jason Todd makes his debut as the second Robin in Detective Comics #526.
  • Jun 1983: Master of Kung Fu, with issue #125, is cancelled by Marvel.
  • Jun 1983: Marvel Two-in-One, with issue #100, is cancelled by Marvel (replaced the following month by the new title The Thing).
  • Jun 1983: Jon Sable published by First Comics.
  • Jul 1983: First issue of Frank Miller's Ronin limited series published by DC Comics.
  • Jul 1983: Final issue of Brave and the Bold; also features a preview insert for the new title Batman and the Outsiders.
  • Jul 1983: Mike Baron’s The Badger #1 published by Capital Comics.
  • Aug 1983: Alan Moore's "The Bojeffries Saga" starts with Warrior #12, published by Quality Communications (continued through 1986).
  • Aug 1983: Harris Publications acquired Warren Publishing's company assets (Vampirella, Creepy, Eerie); later gives up Creepy and Eerie.
  • Sep 1983: With issue #503, DC ceases publishing Adventure Comics, which had been running continuously since November 1938.
  • Oct 1983: House of Mystery, with issue #321, canceled by DC.
  • Oct 1983: American Flagg! published by First Comics.
  • Nov 1983: Walt Simonson makes his debut as writer/artist on Thor with issue #337; introduces Beta Ray Bill.
  • 1983: DC Comics acquires most of Charlton's superhero characters (includes Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, The Question).
  • Jan 1984: Alan Moore takes over writing responsibilities for Saga of the Swamp Thing title with issue #20.
  • May 1984: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 published by Mirage Studios.
  • May 1984: Marvel launches the Secret Wars; includes the introduction of a Spider-Man black suit in issue #8.
  • Nov 1984: Albedo Anthropomorphics #2 contains Stan Sakai’s “The Goblin of Adachigahara”, introducing Usagi Yojimbo.
  • 1984: Antarctic Press, Continuity Comics, Deluxe Comics, Matrix Graphic Series, and Renegade Press launch comic publication.

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It would be a shame not to have Saga of the Swamp Thing #21 on the transition list, which was noted in Wizard Magazine as #7 of its '100 Best Single Issue Comics Since You Were Born' list.

 

  • Aug 1978: Eclipse Comics publishes Sabre: Slow Fade of an Endangered Species by Don McGregor and Paul Gulacy (one of the earliest of graphic novels, and first exclusive to Direct Market)
  • May 1979: Daredevil 158- First Miller art
  • Nov 1979: Iron Man #128 "Demon in a Bottle"
  • Feb 1980: She-Hulk #1
  • Mar 1980: King Conan 1
  • Apr 1980: Star Trek 1
  • Spring 1980: Epic Illustrated 1
  • Sep 1980: X-Men 137- Death of Dark Phoenix
  • Oct 1980: DC Presents 26- first New Teen Titans
  • Nov 1980: New Teen Titans 1
  • Nov 1980: Moon Knight gets his own series
  • 1980 : Superboy Spectacular- Direct Sales only 1-shot
  • Jan 1981: Daredevil 168- First Miller -script; Intro Elektra
  • Jan 1981: X-Men 141 "Days of Future Past" launches alternate timeline which would form the basis for many X-continuity books/characters over the next several years.
  • Jan 1981: Capital Comics launches and publishes Nexus 1
  • Mar 1981: X-Men 143- Final Claremont/Byrne
  • Mar 1981: Dazzler 1- First direct-sales-only for an ongoing series
  • Mar 1981: Bizarre Adventures starts
  • Mar 1981: Captain Canuck is cancelled
  • May 1981: Eclipse Magazine starts
  • June 1981: The Hulk magazine ends
  • Jul 1981: Fantastic Four 232 - Byrne takes over FF writing/art duties.
  • Aug 1981: Rogue debuts
  • Aug 1981: Marvel Premiere ends
  • Nov 1981: Captain Victory 1- First Pacific Comics issue, direct-only publisher
  • 1981: Marvel cancels many of its reprint titles, including MGC, AA, TTA, MSA, etc.
  • 1981: Stan Lee moves to California to head Marvel TV/movie properties, leaving Jim Shooter in charge
  • Jan 1982: Comico Comics founded: publishes Comico Primer #1.
  • Feb 1982: Comico Primer #2 introduces the character Grendel (Hunter Rose) by Matt Wagner.
  • March 1982: Warrior Magazine #1 (Marvelman, V for Vendetta)
  • May 1982: Saga of the Swamp Thing #1
  • June 1982: G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero #1
  • June 1982: Marvel Super-Hero Contest of Champions #1 (first Marvel mini-series, precursor to Secret Wars)
  • Sept 1982: Love and Rockets debuts
  • Sept 1982: Wolverine Mini #1
  • 1982: Harvey Comics, Warren Publishing and Spire Comics cease operations
  • 1982: DC cancels remaining Horror titles
  • 1982: Start of creator royalties at Marvel and DC
  • 1982: Steve Geppi founds Diamond
  • 1982: Marvel introduces Graphic Novel series, including Death of Captain Marvel and X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills.
  • Dec 1982: New Mutants introduction published in Marvel Graphic Novel #4, leading to a 1983-1991 dedicated title.
  • Jan 1983: Bill Willingham’s The Elementals introduced as part of backup story of Justice Machine Annual 1 (Texas Comics).
  • Jan 1983: Albedo Anthropomorphics #0 published by Steven Gallacci.
  • Feb 1983: The Buyer's Guide to Comics Fandom is acquired by Krause Publications and changes its name to Comics Buyer's Guide.
  • Mar 1983: Warp published by First Comics, which also is its first comic by this later recognized independent publisher.
  • May 1983: Jason Todd makes his debut as the second Robin in Detective Comics #526.
  • Jun 1983: Master of Kung Fu, with issue #125, is cancelled by Marvel.
  • Jun 1983: Marvel Two-in-One, with issue #100, is cancelled by Marvel (replaced the following month by the new title The Thing).
  • Jun 1983: Jon Sable published by First Comics.
  • Jul 1983: First issue of Frank Miller's Ronin limited series published by DC Comics.
  • Jul 1983: Final issue of Brave and the Bold; also features a preview insert for the new title Batman and the Outsiders.
  • Jul 1983: Mike Baron’s The Badger #1 published by Capital Comics.
  • Aug 1983: Alan Moore's "The Bojeffries Saga" starts with Warrior #12, published by Quality Communications (continued through 1986).
  • Aug 1983: Harris Publications acquired Warren Publishing's company assets (Vampirella, Creepy, Eerie); later gives up Creepy and Eerie.
  • Sep 1983: With issue #503, DC ceases publishing Adventure Comics, which had been running continuously since November 1938.
  • Oct 1983: House of Mystery, with issue #321, canceled by DC.
  • Oct 1983: American Flagg! published by First Comics.
  • Nov 1983: Walt Simonson makes his debut as writer/artist on Thor with issue #337; introduces Beta Ray Bill.
  • 1983: DC Comics acquires most of Charlton's superhero characters (includes Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, The Question).
  • Jan 1984: Alan Moore takes over writing responsibilities for Saga of the Swamp Thing title with issue #20.
  • Feb 1984: Saga of the Swamp Thing #21 (The Anatomy Lesson) reveals Swamp Thing is not Alec Holland, but rather microorganisms which absorbed his memories.
  • May 1984: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 published by Mirage Studios.
  • May 1984: Marvel launches the Secret Wars; includes the introduction of a Spider-Man black suit in issue #8.
  • Nov 1984: Albedo Anthropomorphics #2 contains Stan Sakai’s “The Goblin of Adachigahara”, introducing Usagi Yojimbo.
  • 1984: Antarctic Press, Continuity Comics, Deluxe Comics, Matrix Graphic Series, and Renegade Press launch comic publication.

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This is an awesome list. The one that jumps off the page for me is:

 

  • Nov 1981: Captain Victory 1- First Pacific Comics issue, direct-only publisher

 

You've got Jack Kirby (Jack Kirby!) going independent for a direct-only publisher. This set the tone for the 80s versus the 70s. The business changed, and as a result the content evolved. (In Jack's case, not always for the better.)

 

 

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