A Panther’s thread!

[vaillant]

I quite like the collage? Is that your work?

 

The direct association with the Black Panthers, however, may be out of place. I am italian but as far as I know Stan and Jack did not mean to address directly the Panther’s party (which they somewhat predated in the idea of using the name).

 

I seem to recall that in late Panther comics from the early Bronze age, the authors (Roy Thomas?) deliberately took distance from the association, and briefly the Panther changed name (I don’t have these issues, maybe Avengers issues?).

 

Of course, associations are complex, but I just find a direct reference can be misleading.

[vaillant]

Here’s my Jungle Action #5. As I said, I am still missing most Avengers issues featuring the Panther, and this is a reprint of Avengers #62.

Not super-high grade but perfectly happy with it, as mostly I keep it for being the 1st Panther in title, and for the new custom cover.

 

[jaja-mon12]

I quite like the collage? Is that your work?

 

The direct association with the Black Panthers, however, may be out of place. I am italian but as far as I know Stan and Jack did not mean to address directly the Panther’s party (which they somewhat predated in the idea of using the name).

 

I seem to recall that in late Panther comics from the early Bronze age, the authors (Roy Thomas?) deliberately took distance from the association, and briefly the Panther changed name (I don’t have these issues, maybe Avengers issues?).

 

Of course, associations are complex, but I just find a direct reference can be misleading.

 

No, it was done by an artist named Derek Gores. Yeah, I see your point, but I remember reading something back in the 1980's about the Black Panther character being created by Stan Lee & Jack Kirby during the time of the Civil Rights Movement and our nations racial tension in the south during the 1960's.

 

Keep in mind that most of the prominent creators of the characters we love were created by Jewish people as far back as World War 2 during the GA of comics.

This was there way of showing support & fighting back against the Axis powers and the atrocities committed to their people during the Holocaust.

 

If you look at the collage closely it encompasses many things associated with the time, not just the Black Panther Party. It has the Rosa Parks, Medgar Evers, MLK Jr., and Malcom X. As well as the KKK and positive messages, marches and protest.

 

This art is symbolic of the times and introduced a great character in the Black Panther.This art has a similar type of message as Captain America socking Hitler on the jaw on the cover of CAC #1. the only exception being that it happened within our own borders, not abroad.

[vaillant]

I am well aware of what you are saying about the jewish heritage of many Golden and Silver Age authors, but I can’t see how it relates to my question.

I am also cautious when i make any kind of associations. Jack Kirby (which I personally met) for example, denied any specific influence of the jewish heritage on his cultural inheritance, which he saw more a general european inheritance of "storytelling".

 

Speaking of the Black Panthers, I just said is that the creation of the character preceedes the Party’s formation, and although of course all the things were in the air, a direct association could be a bit misleading, as the Panther did not impersonate those specific revolutionary instances – many of these issues are treated in a very fascinating ways in Marvel stories of the period, especially the youth protests and youth movements, like in Sub-Mariner #18 and Iron Man #45 and #46, which are great issues.

 

Do you know the artist? Is that an actual painted piece?

[jaja-mon12]

I am well aware of what you are saying about the jewish heritage of many Golden and Silver Age authors, but I can’t see how it relates to my question.

I am also cautious when i make any kind of associations. Jack Kirby (which I personally met) for example, denied any specific influence of the jewish heritage on his cultural inheritance, which he saw more a general european inheritance of "storytelling".

 

Speaking of the Black Panthers, I just said is that the creation of the character preceedes the Party’s formation, and although of course all the things were in the air, a direct association could be a bit misleading, as the Panther did not impersonate those specific revolutionary instances – many of these issues are treated in a very fascinating ways in Marvel stories of the period, especially the youth protests and youth movements, like in Sub-Mariner #18 and Iron Man #45 and #46, which are great issues.

 

Do you know the artist? Is that an actual painted piece?

 

Fair enough! (thumbs u The Black Panther Party was actually founded the same year that the character made his first appearance in FF #52 in 1966.

 

Yeah, I commissioned the artist to make this collage art for me. It took him ~6 months to complete it. It's huge at 30" x 30" and is comprised of magazine clippings or anything he felt would fit perfectly with his vision. No pencils, ink or paint was used to create this art at all!

 

It also has song lyrics included in it from Sam Cooke's "A Change Is Gonna Come" and the Beatles' "Revolution".

 

It's a very powerful piece to say the least.

[500hpAudiS4]

Since the other thread about the Black Panther derailed a bit because of discussions, I thought to start a new one afresh, not only for FF #52, of course, but for the Panther in general, which deserves it! (thumbs u

 

Feel free to show your Panther’s firsts, seconds, thirds, etc. – and even border into Bronze, at least with the Jungle Actions (Kirby’s run is more late Bronze so it already have some threads in the Bronze section).

 

My #52:

 

 

The first edition of the italian #52 (which is #48):

 

 

and its splash page!

 

 

I have just realized some foreign editions have the Panther half-masked on the cover: where that artwork may be coming from? 1970s reprints like "Marvel’s Greatest Comics"? Just wondering…

 

Great idea! Here is some my Black Panther OA everyone should appreciate. It personifies all that the character is about. Just gaze closer at the details and you'll see what I mean!

 

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Ain't it purty???

awesome collage. Do you have a pic of it framed?

[vaillant]

That’s awesome, although I prefer hand-made, or at least partially hand-made collages than entirely digital works. Although of course it depends in how much care one is putting in the work…

 

I have a copy of the first edition of Roberto Giammanco’s book on the Black Panthers Movement. Giammanco is an italian journalist and scholar which studied the american culture of the period (he was a friend of Malcom X) – I have to read it.

 

If Wikipedia is correct (you never know that) the creation of the Panther by Lee & Kirby slightly predates the foundation of the Party, around October 1966.

 

Fair enough! (thumbs u The Black Panther Party was actually founded the same year that the character made his first appearance in FF #52 in 1966.

 

Yeah, I commissioned the artist to make this collage art for me. It took him ~6 months to complete it. It's huge at 30" x 30" and is comprised of magazine clippings or anything he felt would fit perfectly with his vision. No pencils, ink or paint was used to create this art at all!

 

It also has song lyrics included in it from Sam Cooke's "A Change Is Gonna Come" and the Beatles' "Revolution".

 

It's a very powerful piece to say the least.

[jaja-mon12]

Since the other thread about the Black Panther derailed a bit because of discussions, I thought to start a new one afresh, not only for FF #52, of course, but for the Panther in general, which deserves it! (thumbs u

 

Feel free to show your Panther’s firsts, seconds, thirds, etc. – and even border into Bronze, at least with the Jungle Actions (Kirby’s run is more late Bronze so it already have some threads in the Bronze section).

 

My #52:

 

 

The first edition of the italian #52 (which is #48):

 

 

and its splash page!

 

 

I have just realized some foreign editions have the Panther half-masked on the cover: where that artwork may be coming from? 1970s reprints like "Marvel’s Greatest Comics"? Just wondering…

 

Great idea! Here is some my Black Panther OA everyone should appreciate. It personifies all that the character is about. Just gaze closer at the details and you'll see what I mean!

 

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Ain't it purty???

awesome collage. Do you have a pic of it framed?

 

Nah! The art itself does not need a frame. It is a massive 30" x 30". This is all hand-made, not digital art.

[jaja-mon12]

That’s awesome, although I prefer hand-made, or at least partially hand-made collages than entirely digital works. Although of course it depends in how much care one is putting in the work…

 

I have a copy of the first edition of Roberto Giammanco’s book on the Black Panthers Movement. Giammanco is an italian journalist and scholar which studied the american culture of the period (he was a friend of Malcom X) – I have to read it.

 

If Wikipedia is correct (you never know that) the creation of the Panther by Lee & Kirby slightly predates the foundation of the Party, around October 1966.

 

Fair enough! (thumbs u The Black Panther Party was actually founded the same year that the character made his first appearance in FF #52 in 1966.

 

Yeah, I commissioned the artist to make this collage art for me. It took him ~6 months to complete it. It's huge at 30" x 30" and is comprised of magazine clippings or anything he felt would fit perfectly with his vision. No pencils, ink or paint was used to create this art at all!

 

It also has song lyrics included in it from Sam Cooke's "A Change Is Gonna Come" and the Beatles' "Revolution".

 

It's a very powerful piece to say the least.

 

You misunderstand, this is all hand-made! It's not a digital print at all, that's why it took 6 months to make. He took every piece you see here in the pics and put them on a canvas by hand. (thumbs u

 

FYI, just because the official founding date according to Wiki says October 15, 1966 does not mean the BPP did not exist way before that. The BPP was inspired by the February 21, 1965 assassination of Malcolm X, but did exist in some form, just not in title prior to the official founding date. I'm very confident the BPP did not just appear out of nowhere up until that point.

[vaillant]

Ah, sorry, that’s because I read "No pencils, ink or paint was used to create this art at all!". That’s great!

 

Yes, that goes for sure: the Movement did not appear out of nowhere, but I think you got my point. Of course, good art transfigures real life events, so it’s just fine to see relationship between events – I just questioned literal approaches… (thumbs u

[jaja-mon12]

Ah, sorry, that’s because I read "No pencils, ink or paint was used to create this art at all!". That’s great!

 

Yes, that goes for sure: the Movement did not appear out of nowhere, but I think you got my point. Of course, good art transfigures real life events, so it’s just fine to see relationship between events – I just questioned literal approaches… (thumbs u

 

Sounds good my friend! (thumbs u

[Define999]

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Freakin stunning man, I love it!

 

The first edition of the italian #52 (which is #48):

 

 

and its splash page!

 

 

Love this Claudio! Must find one for myself soon....

[Define999]

My FF52 set.....

 

[jaja-mon12]

My FF52 set.....

 

 

Cool! I like the variety! (thumbs u By

 

By the way that's jaja-mon12's artwork!

[media_junkie]

 

My FF 52, purchased here on the boards.

[jaja-mon12]

 

My FF 52, purchased here on the boards.

 

Welcome to the family! (thumbs u

[Awax]

 

Bought off Yannis (what happened to him ) a while back.

 

Not the highest grade. But I have one.

[vaillant]

Welcome to the family! (thumbs u

The Wakandan Royal family, of course, as pictured by Kirby in "the Black Musketeers".

I must bring out my Panther runs, and see where they need improvement…

 

 

[jaja-mon12]

 

Bought off Yannis (what happened to him ) a while back.

 

Not the highest grade. But I have one.

 

Awesome! (thumbs u

[jaja-mon12]

Welcome to the family! (thumbs u

The Wakandan Royal family, of course, as pictured by Kirby in "the Black Musketeers".

I must bring out my Panther runs, and see where they need improvement…

 

 

 

Nice! (thumbs u Coincidentally, the original writer of the "Three Musketeers" Alexandre Dumas(1802 - 1870) was of African/black descent.

 

I have a FF #52 CGC 8.0 & #53 PGX 8.0 at home, but don't have access to post them right now!