Rip Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The fine art world is a charade. It;s the emperor has no clothes. Any comic artist could paint an extra large painting of one of their panels. There's nothing special about Lichtenstein. Except that everyone in the fine art world has agreed to agree he's special. Even for a laymen, there must be something more special about him, or we wouldn't be talking about it so strongly over 50 years after the point. His paintings sell for big bucks and I get the feeling kav doesn't like it. This forum needs a Jeff Koons thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The fine art world is a charade. It;s the emperor has no clothes. Any comic artist could paint an extra large painting of one of their panels. There's nothing special about Lichtenstein. Except that everyone in the fine art world has agreed to agree he's special. Even for a laymen, there must be something more special about him, or we wouldn't be talking about it so strongly over 50 years after the point. No-we're talking about him because the fine art world gave him the stamp of approval so he went in the annals of history as a fine artist. Just like the guy who did pee Christ and the guy who did the blank white canvas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy-D Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The fine art world is a charade. It;s the emperor has no clothes. Any comic artist could paint an extra large painting of one of their panels. There's nothing special about Lichtenstein. Except that everyone in the fine art world has agreed to agree he's special. Even for a laymen, there must be something more special about him, or we wouldn't be talking about it so strongly over 50 years after the point. His paintings sell for big bucks and I get the feeling kav doesn't like it. This forum needs a Jeff Koons thread. You might find me on the other side of that discussion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The fine art world is a charade. It;s the emperor has no clothes. Any comic artist could paint an extra large painting of one of their panels. There's nothing special about Lichtenstein. Except that everyone in the fine art world has agreed to agree he's special. Even for a laymen, there must be something more special about him, or we wouldn't be talking about it so strongly over 50 years after the point. His paintings sell for big bucks and I get the feeling kav doesn't like it. This forum needs a Jeff Koons thread. It's ok his paintings go for big bucks just make sure everyone knows why-not because he's some extraordinary artist but because he was in the right circles to get the stamp of approval. Politics, not talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The fine art world is a charade. It;s the emperor has no clothes. Any comic artist could paint an extra large painting of one of their panels. There's nothing special about Lichtenstein. Except that everyone in the fine art world has agreed to agree he's special. Even for a laymen, there must be something more special about him, or we wouldn't be talking about it so strongly over 50 years after the point. No-we're talking about him because the fine art world gave him the stamp of approval so he went in the annals of history as a fine artist. Just like the guy who did pee Christ and the guy who did the blank white canvas. So what do you care then what the fine art world thinks 50 years after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 So, it's silly to be so upset now, fifty years later because if how things worked out. Heath is near broke NOT because Lichtenstein ripped him off, but because the comics industry did! Never paying enough money so the artists and writers to save up for retirement... (boy, this will get me in trouble) Why haven't these artists made better choices in life, that they are in the predicaments they are at this stage in the game? Bob Kane was an artist. Stan Lee was a writer. Bob Kane died a wealthy man. Stan Lee is worth a fortune. What made those guys succeed, where others have failed? Was Bob Kane special? Is Stan Lee special? Or did they simply make better choices in life? Why are people made to feel sorry for those who had their entire lives to prepare for this time, and did not spend their money wisely? Yes, I know, heartless. "You don't know the circumstances!!" etc. (I love Russ Heath's work, and I'm glad HERO has helped him.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The fine art world is a charade. It;s the emperor has no clothes. Any comic artist could paint an extra large painting of one of their panels. There's nothing special about Lichtenstein. Except that everyone in the fine art world has agreed to agree he's special. Even for a laymen, there must be something more special about him, or we wouldn't be talking about it so strongly over 50 years after the point. No-we're talking about him because the fine art world gave him the stamp of approval so he went in the annals of history as a fine artist. Just like the guy who did pee Christ and the guy who did the blank white canvas. So what do you care then what the fine art world thinks 50 years after. Because they tried to make me swallow this in art school. And, it's still ongoing. Pointless insufficiently_thoughtful_persons vomiting on a piece of cardboard lauded as geniuses. Incredible artists virtually ignored. It just rubs me the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) The fine art world is a charade. It;s the emperor has no clothes. Any comic artist could paint an extra large painting of one of their panels. There's nothing special about Lichtenstein. Except that everyone in the fine art world has agreed to agree he's special. Even for a laymen, there must be something more special about him, or we wouldn't be talking about it so strongly over 50 years after the point. No-we're talking about him because the fine art world gave him the stamp of approval so he went in the annals of history as a fine artist. Just like the guy who did pee Christ and the guy who did the blank white canvas. So what do you care then what the fine art world thinks 50 years after. Because they tried to make me swallow this in art school. And, it's still ongoing. Pointless insufficiently_thoughtful_persons vomiting on a piece of cardboard lauded as geniuses. Incredible artists virtually ignored. It just rubs me the wrong way. What makes you the arbitrator of taste? The main point of the modern art movement was to expand upon the notion of what is art, not contract it. Edited November 10, 2014 by Rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The fine art world is a charade. It;s the emperor has no clothes. Any comic artist could paint an extra large painting of one of their panels. There's nothing special about Lichtenstein. Except that everyone in the fine art world has agreed to agree he's special. Even for a laymen, there must be something more special about him, or we wouldn't be talking about it so strongly over 50 years after the point. No-we're talking about him because the fine art world gave him the stamp of approval so he went in the annals of history as a fine artist. Just like the guy who did pee Christ and the guy who did the blank white canvas. So what do you care then what the fine art world thinks 50 years after. Because they tried to make me swallow this in art school. And, it's still ongoing. Pointless insufficiently_thoughtful_persons vomiting on a piece of cardboard lauded as geniuses. Incredible artists virtually ignored. It just rubs me the wrong way. What makes you the arbitrator of taste? The main point of the modern art movement was to expand upon the notion of what is art, not contract it. Common sense makes me an arbiter of taste. A crucifix in a jar of urine is not art It's not rocket science. Any 15 year old can be taught how to transfer a comic panel to a large canvas. There is no special skill required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 And if you want to 'expand' what is art then taking a dump is art. A wadded up kleenex is art. I say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The fine art world is a charade. It;s the emperor has no clothes. Any comic artist could paint an extra large painting of one of their panels. There's nothing special about Lichtenstein. Except that everyone in the fine art world has agreed to agree he's special. Even for a laymen, there must be something more special about him, or we wouldn't be talking about it so strongly over 50 years after the point. No-we're talking about him because the fine art world gave him the stamp of approval so he went in the annals of history as a fine artist. Just like the guy who did pee Christ and the guy who did the blank white canvas. So what do you care then what the fine art world thinks 50 years after. Because they tried to make me swallow this in art school. And, it's still ongoing. Pointless insufficiently_thoughtful_persons vomiting on a piece of cardboard lauded as geniuses. Incredible artists virtually ignored. It just rubs me the wrong way. What makes you the arbitrator of taste? The main point of the modern art movement was to expand upon the notion of what is art, not contract it. Common sense makes me an arbiter of taste. A crucifix in a jar of urine is not art It's not rocket science. Any 15 year old can be taught how to transfer a comic panel to a large canvas. There is no special skill required. Then why didn't one think of it first? Technical skill is just one tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The fine art world is a charade. It;s the emperor has no clothes. Any comic artist could paint an extra large painting of one of their panels. There's nothing special about Lichtenstein. Except that everyone in the fine art world has agreed to agree he's special. Even for a laymen, there must be something more special about him, or we wouldn't be talking about it so strongly over 50 years after the point. No-we're talking about him because the fine art world gave him the stamp of approval so he went in the annals of history as a fine artist. Just like the guy who did pee Christ and the guy who did the blank white canvas. So what do you care then what the fine art world thinks 50 years after. Because they tried to make me swallow this in art school. And, it's still ongoing. Pointless insufficiently_thoughtful_persons vomiting on a piece of cardboard lauded as geniuses. Incredible artists virtually ignored. It just rubs me the wrong way. What makes you the arbitrator of taste? The main point of the modern art movement was to expand upon the notion of what is art, not contract it. Common sense makes me an arbiter of taste. A crucifix in a jar of urine is not art It's not rocket science. Any 15 year old can be taught how to transfer a comic panel to a large canvas. There is no special skill required. Then why didn't one think of it first? Technical skill is just one tool. 15 year olds have been transferring images onto school walls for decades. Also onto large canvases. They did think of it first. Matter of fact my HS had a similar image on the wall, painted 16 years prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) The fine art world is a charade. It;s the emperor has no clothes. Any comic artist could paint an extra large painting of one of their panels. There's nothing special about Lichtenstein. Except that everyone in the fine art world has agreed to agree he's special. Even for a laymen, there must be something more special about him, or we wouldn't be talking about it so strongly over 50 years after the point. No-we're talking about him because the fine art world gave him the stamp of approval so he went in the annals of history as a fine artist. Just like the guy who did pee Christ and the guy who did the blank white canvas. So what do you care then what the fine art world thinks 50 years after. Because they tried to make me swallow this in art school. And, it's still ongoing. Pointless insufficiently_thoughtful_persons vomiting on a piece of cardboard lauded as geniuses. Incredible artists virtually ignored. It just rubs me the wrong way. What makes you the arbitrator of taste? The main point of the modern art movement was to expand upon the notion of what is art, not contract it. Common sense makes me an arbiter of taste. A crucifix in a jar of urine is not art It's not rocket science. Any 15 year old can be taught how to transfer a comic panel to a large canvas. There is no special skill required. Then why didn't one think of it first? Technical skill is just one tool. 15 year olds have been transferring images onto school walls for decades. Also onto large canvases. They did think of it first. Matter of fact my HS had a similar image on the wall, painted 16 years prior. Maybe they should have offered to put one in a Museum next to the elephant who paints like Jackson Pollock. Would have been nice to see one of these and compare. Maybe I could have drawn a mustache on one of them also? Edited November 10, 2014 by Rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ares Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 So if we took those panels and made shirts of them who do we pay Marvel or Lichtenstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadpoolJr. Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) If we're talking about Pollock heres what comic artist Greg Horn thought about his painting. "No.5" Greg Horn-"It’s 1948…artist Jackson Pollock ascends a ladder, and has a diarrhea explosion on a fiberboard canvas… 60 years later, the painting titled “No. 5” sells for $140 million… this should INSPIRE you…just think what YOU could do with a bottle a whiskey, a bean burrito and a ladder." Edited November 10, 2014 by DeadPoolJr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It should have been called '#2' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dupont2005 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The difference between fine and graphic arts is the graphic artist actually has to be able to draw. Fine artist can pee on a canvas and if it's marketed correctly VOILA he's a GENIUS. Then why do all bullpen artists choose to craft superior skills and not make any money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dupont2005 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Warhol is a good example there is a commercial artist out there that designed the Campbell soup package and he was probably paid by work for hire while Warhol's work sold for millions. Credit should be given to the artists that envisaged the work in the first place only using their imagination, even if they were good or bad artists they still deserve the credit. If you paint a bowl of fruit credit should be paid to the guy who grew that mess in Equador. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The difference between fine and graphic arts is the graphic artist actually has to be able to draw. Fine artist can pee on a canvas and if it's marketed correctly VOILA he's a GENIUS. Then why do all bullpen artists choose to craft superior skills and not make any money? Becoming a fine artist is a *spoon* shoot. There's no direct path to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
