Sweet Lou 14 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 14 minutes ago, Callaway29 said: Full disclosure, I like this book...just a little. Wow, together those add up to more than 20! This book has been warm to hot for a while, I think there's still room to grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callaway29 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Sweet Lou 14 said: Wow, together those add up to more than 20! This book has been warm to hot for a while, I think there's still room to grow. I’d much rather have your, I’m guessing, 9.4? Let’s see it...would be a treat. Edited August 26, 2020 by Callaway29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sweet Lou 14 Posted August 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2020 22 minutes ago, Callaway29 said: I’d much rather have your, I’m guessing, 9.4? Let’s see it...would be a treat. OK, since you asked. Here's the copy I bought raw and submitted myself, before selling it off ... ... and here's my keeper! badback83, jimjum12, Chief1332 and 13 others 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callaway29 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) The wrap on that 8.5, and the colors on your keeper! Edited August 26, 2020 by Callaway29 Sweet Lou 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Lou 14 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 50 minutes ago, Callaway29 said: The wrap on that 8.5, and the colors on your keeper! Haha thanks! I'm blushing. I know the wrap on the 8.5 is "better" at the spine, but I actually prefer the way the 9.4 shows the entire "Kraven the Hunter!" blurb with (almost) nothing cut off along the right edge. Certain key books of the era (notably, TOS 39) get scrutinized intensely over how much is cut off along the right edge (and bottom edge), so it's something that sometimes sticks out to me. KirbyJack and Callaway29 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemart1966 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 On 7/13/2020 at 3:08 PM, Sweet Lou 14 said: I feel I should follow up my last post because I really don't want to upset or insult anyone who feels love and nostalgia for DC Silver Age books. Yes, I am a Marvel collector and those are the books and characters I enjoy the most. That certainly gives me a bias. But it's not like I haven't seen most of the DC movies (from Christopher Reeve to Gal Godot), and it's not like I didn't enjoy modern books like Frank Miller's Dark Knight or the Watchmen (a DC book outside DC continuity), and it's not as though I wouldn't be interested in collecting Superman or Batman comics from the Golden Age if I could afford them. I'm not trying to hate on all things DC. My opinion is just my own, and I'm speaking only for myself, but when someone asks when DC Silver Age books will be valued like Marvel Silver Age books, my answer is never. Comparing the two in terms of quality and impact seems completely ridiculous to me. Could some of the art be "sublime"? Sure, although none of it stacks up to Kirby and Ditko. But art isn't where it all falls apart for me. DC books of that era seem to have been written with almost no regard for the reader's intelligence -- most of the stories are complete gimmicks, severely lacking in creativity or originality. Most of the time when I look at one of the covers, I almost feel insulted. There is a very obvious, deliberate editorial style running through all of this material, relentlessly tossing out the same lazy and derivative material. I've got strong opinions about this but again, I really want to be respectful of DC fans who love this stuff. Definitely love what you love -- and perhaps be glad that what you love is more affordable. But there is definitely a reason why. Don't forget - you're looking at the DC books through adult eyes. These books were not meant for adults. They were meant for kids from 7-12 years of age. I think that one had to be there when these originally came out. I was, and I loved DC comics and, yes, I also liked Marvel books too. For some of us, what we liked as a child still resonates today. Sweet Lou 14 and CrocHntr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemart1966 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 1:57 PM, KirbyJack said: Much tougher than Avengers 4. There's no silver age Marvel that's tough to find. A look at eBay just now shows at least 20 copies of FF 4 for sale not to mention its availability through the auction route. Howling Mad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Lou 14 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, pemart1966 said: There's no silver age Marvel that's tough to find. That's not really true. It all depends what grade we're talking about. Speaking for myself, anything still on my want list is a book that is not currently available for sale. If it were, I would own it by now. Edited August 26, 2020 by Sweet Lou 14 piper, Jordysnordy and mysterio 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemart1966 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Sweet Lou 14 said: That's not really true. It all depends what grade we're talking about. Speaking for myself, anything still on my want list is a book that is not currently available for sale. If it were, I would own it by now. Ahhhh - now you're introducing something that was NOT in the OP's original statement. I agree with you, finding some early issues in super high grade is indeed difficult and when they are found they are EXPENSIVE. In response to the OP's original statement though. grading aside, there's no Silver Age Marvel that's hard to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Lou 14 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, pemart1966 said: Ahhhh - now you're introducing something that was NOT in the OP's original statement. I agree with you, finding some early issues in super high grade is indeed difficult and when they are found they are EXPENSIVE. In response to the OP's original statement though. grading aside, there's no Silver Age Marvel that's hard to find. I went back to try to figure out what you mean by "the OP's original statement" and I found two posts from two different people saying that FF #4 might be "tougher" than Avengers #4. Neither of those people said the book is "tough" in the way you seem to be interpreting that word, i.e. as truly scarce. They simply used the relative term "tougher." So, let's take a look at the census. 9.6: 24 blue-label copies of Avengers 4 vs. 6 blue-label copies of FF 4 9.4: 35 vs. 14 9.0: 69 vs. 18 8.0: 137 vs. 26 7.0: 191 vs. 57 6.0: 219 vs. 68 5.0: 263 vs. 84 It would seem that those posters were correct. Across a broad range of grades, FF 4 is much "tougher" than Avengers 4. Callaway29 and KirbyJack 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusterMark Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 9 hours ago, Sweet Lou 14 said: I went back to try to figure out what you mean by "the OP's original statement" and I found two posts from two different people saying that FF #4 might be "tougher" than Avengers #4. Neither of those people said the book is "tough" in the way you seem to be interpreting that word, i.e. as truly scarce. They simply used the relative term "tougher." So, let's take a look at the census. 9.6: 24 blue-label copies of Avengers 4 vs. 6 blue-label copies of FF 4 9.4: 35 vs. 14 9.0: 69 vs. 18 8.0: 137 vs. 26 7.0: 191 vs. 57 6.0: 219 vs. 68 5.0: 263 vs. 84 It would seem that those posters were correct. Across a broad range of grades, FF 4 is much "tougher" than Avengers 4. PART of the discrepancy in those numbers could be attributed to the fact that Av 4 has been a “bigger” key than FF 4 for quite some time. And bigger keys get slabbed more, generally speaking. The greater interest in FF 4 is much more recent. So we might see the numbers for FF 4 doing a bit of catching up with the numbers for Av 4. They probably won’t catch up completely because Av 4 continues to be a big book and will continue to get slabbed in decent numbers, but also because probably FF 4 is tougher to some extent. littledoom, PeterPark and HouseofComics.Com 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Lou 14 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 3 hours ago, MusterMark said: PART of the discrepancy in those numbers could be attributed to the fact that Av 4 has been a “bigger” key than FF 4 for quite some time. And bigger keys get slabbed more, generally speaking. The greater interest in FF 4 is much more recent. So we might see the numbers for FF 4 doing a bit of catching up with the numbers for Av 4. They probably won’t catch up completely because Av 4 continues to be a big book and will continue to get slabbed in decent numbers, but also because probably FF 4 is tougher to some extent. Oh, I agree -- there is no doubt that "scarcity" in the census is not purely a function of true scarcity in the raw supply. As you point out, it's also driven heavily by demand, insofar as demand for a particular book motivates more people to turn copies of that book into more liquid assets by slabbing them. I'm not sure how to quantify relative demand between these two books, but based on the relative prominence of Cap vs. Namor in the MCU, and more generally in pop culture, what you've said above certainly passes the sniff test. jimjum12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysterio Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 8/25/2020 at 11:01 PM, Sweet Lou 14 said: Haha thanks! I'm blushing. I know the wrap on the 8.5 is "better" at the spine, but I actually prefer the way the 9.4 shows the entire "Kraven the Hunter!" blurb with (almost) nothing cut off along the right edge. Certain key books of the era (notably, TOS 39) get scrutinized intensely over how much is cut off along the right edge (and bottom edge), so it's something that sometimes sticks out to me. ASM #17 comes to mind for this as well. I’d like a copy that has a nice stretch of blue to the right of the number box and a full ear on the guy in the lower right corner. Primetime, PeterPark and littledoom 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callaway29 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) It's bronze, but the one that always bugs me is GL87. Hal's foot is almost ALWAYS cut off, and often times the "Beware My Power" blurb is trimmed as well... Edited August 27, 2020 by Callaway29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_mkv Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 On 8/15/2020 at 1:00 PM, kimik said: Nice. I hope this floats all grades as I have a few copies of this book sitting and waiting for a new movie/TV announcement......... It sold for $5300....might be time to start picking it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littledoom Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 (edited) Fantastic Four 52 🖤 Edited August 29, 2020 by littledoom Sweet Lou 14, JTLarsen and KirbyJack 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgross.com Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 a very high price for this book in this low grade. many high hammer prices tonight on the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief1332 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 The Flash #139... pretty much nothing but up arrows recently. Watched a raw 3.0 sell on HA for $360 including the vig. Then add shipping and other HA fees... PeterPark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpc3qh Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief1332 said: The Flash #139... pretty much nothing but up arrows recently. Watched a raw 3.0 sell on HA for $360 including the vig. Then add shipping and other HA fees... Makes me feel good about the 3.5 CGC I paid $200 for a few months ago... Chief1332 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemedgroup Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 On 8/31/2020 at 11:42 PM, www.alexgross.com said: a very high price for this book in this low grade. many high hammer prices tonight on the link. Might look cheap in 5 years once appears in MCU? c_mkv, BlowUpTheMoon and littledoom 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...