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DocDave Frazetta Auction

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vodou

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Did Wally Wood's foray into the same arena serve to increase or decrease his esteem?

As if there's only one definitive answer to the question? Probably more a matter of opinion. Not my favorite work, that later stuff, the art just isn't as strong, but knowing about it sure doesn't diminish my appreciation of anything else he did either.

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Foray's into abstract expressionism don't leave lingering questions about the artist, nor could they diminish posthumous reputation.

 

 

Well that is the heart of the matter. Your responses even before this one seemed to think that somehow a couple porn doodles diminish the man's reputation.

 

The idea that a couple unpublished doodles suddenly taint the whole remaining body of work? Silly to me. If a couple dongs and boobs can taint everything else then we must not think much of the everything else to allow it to be tainted so easily.

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Foray's into abstract expressionism don't leave lingering questions about the artist, nor could they diminish posthumous reputation.

 

Did Wally Wood's foray into the same arena serve to increase or decrease his esteem?

 

I didn't say I thought the abstract piece shouldn't be in the catalogue. My point was that the smut SHOULD have been included.

 

 

I know. I was pointing out the distinction between the possible relative impact on legacy between them.

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Did Wally Wood's foray into the same arena serve to increase or decrease his esteem?

As if there's only one definitive answer to the question? Probably more a matter of opinion. Not my favorite work, that later stuff, the art just isn't as strong, but knowing about it sure doesn't diminish my appreciation of anything else he did either.

 

 

The genius of his earlier work seem almost tragic when juxtaposed with what he wound up doing and the mental illness that was revealed.

 

I can't look at his earlier work without thinking of how he struggled towards the end.

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Foray's into abstract expressionism don't leave lingering questions about the artist, nor could they diminish posthumous reputation.

 

 

Well that is the heart of the matter. Your responses even before this one seemed to think that somehow a couple porn doodles diminish the man's reputation.

 

The idea that a couple unpublished doodles suddenly taint the whole remaining body of work? Silly to me. If a couple dongs and boobs can taint everything else then we must not think much of the everything else to allow it to be tainted so easily.

 

 

If it was just dongs and boobs I'd probably have less an issue. There's something else there.

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Foray's into abstract expressionism don't leave lingering questions about the artist, nor could they diminish posthumous reputation.

 

 

Well that is the heart of the matter. Your responses even before this one seemed to think that somehow a couple porn doodles diminish the man's reputation.

 

The idea that a couple unpublished doodles suddenly taint the whole remaining body of work? Silly to me. If a couple dongs and boobs can taint everything else then we must not think much of the everything else to allow it to be tainted so easily.

 

 

If it was just dongs and boobs I'd probably have less an issue. There's something else there.

 

Yeah. So? We've all had dirty and/or inappropriate thoughts? They are unpublished / unfinished (?) works.

 

I mean... the implication is that he was some sort of terrible human being because he drew those? I'm not quite sure what I'm even supposed to be outraged about. Some kind of implied racism? Some kind of implied rapeyness? Some kind of implied frazetta spoon size inadequacy Issue? :insane:

 

Why does anyone care? Drawing a pervy or inappropriate picture in the comfort of your home is not something we should judge. Perhaps selling that work was a bad idea but come on. Doesn't diminish the rest in the slightest

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The problem that I see is its $95 bucks and should have included everything at that price, futher they should of made a paperback edition that would be given out to there best customers.....

Okay, $95 is a lot of money for you. We get it.

 

Can we move on?

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The problem that I see is its $95 bucks and should have included everything at that price, futher they should of made a paperback edition that would be given out to there best customers.....

Okay, $95 is a lot of money for you. We get it.

 

Can we move on?

Well I think Mitch has a point, perhaps over-amplified now, that it's rinky-dink of Profiles to nickel 'n dime every angle of this 'experience'. This is a single-owner Frazetta event after all, probably one of just a handful that would even matter (in the sense of provenance) and it's being handled in a very ala carte fashion but still anticipates whale-sized returns. You really can't have it both ways, and yes the handling, the 'experience' matters...perhaps more so than the art itself. Want to pull whales, then you have to bury most of the details under 'cost of doing business'. Whales are used to being treated well without having to ask. (Even if they don't bid, don't win.) Just ask Vegas.

 

Clearly Mitch thinks Profiles handicapped this thing wrong. Me too. But the art will still do very well. And they will sell 'some' catalogs. But 5,000 @ $95? Well...

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I saw a copy of the catalog over the weekend. It's basically a nicely done coffee table art book or an Artist Edition book. This isn't a $50 Heritage catalog that you just dump in the recycling bin after the auction is over (even if they are very well done). I think charging $95 for this book is perfectly fine, and not at all out of line with the kind of hardcover catalogs that fine art galleries have produced and charged for in the past. Or even in comic art - wasn't there a Frazetta hardcover catalog produced by Alex Acevedo in the '90s? In any case, I'm sure that I'm sure that Profiles is comping copies to the whales/usual suspects without them asking for it, as would be standard practice.

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The problem that I see is its $95 bucks and should have included everything at that price, futher they should of made a paperback edition that would be given out to there best customers.....

Okay, $95 is a lot of money for you. We get it.

 

Can we move on?

Well I think Mitch has a point, perhaps over-amplified now, that it's rinky-dink of Profiles to nickel 'n dime every angle of this 'experience'. This is a single-owner Frazetta event after all, probably one of just a handful that would even matter (in the sense of provenance) and it's being handled in a very ala carte fashion but still anticipates whale-sized returns. You really can't have it both ways, and yes the handling, the 'experience' matters...perhaps more so than the art itself. Want to pull whales, then you have to bury most of the details under 'cost of doing business'. Whales are used to being treated well without having to ask. (Even if they don't bid, don't win.) Just ask Vegas.

 

Clearly Mitch thinks Profiles handicapped this thing wrong. Me too. But the art will still do very well. And they will sell 'some' catalogs. But 5,000 @ $95? Well...

 

 

 

My copy says the edition is 950. Where do you get your 5000 from? BTW, does the Frazetta estate get a piece of the book sales like they would on a regular art book?

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My copy says the edition is 950. Where do you get your 5000 from? BTW, does the Frazetta estate get a piece of the book sales like they would on a regular art book?

That's what I remembered seeing somewhere, my mistake.

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