What defects does CGC really mark down for?

[bcphillips119]

What about date stamps?

 

I used to be able to pull up the grading scale on CGC, but can't find it. MCS used to have one at one point, but is now gone and replaced with a "general" description of each grade.

[jaydam45]

Does anyone know what type of hit you take with a NM-MT book at about 9.6-9.8 BUT! There is a small scuff mark about 1/16-1/8" on the cover where the top staple is. I do not have a pic. Just try to imagine a perfect book with that type of scuff. My comic guy has a case of secret wars 8 with 90% of the copies having that small scuff most likely from a staple that protrudes a bit from inside the book from a slight production error. aby opinions would be highly apreciated and may help many others understand scuffs. Thanks

[jaydam45]

Btw. the scuff is on front cover about 2/8" from the spine and certain its caused by a staple not sitting perfectly flat on the inside centerfold.

[MatterEaterLad]

Guessing 9.2 with the scuff.

 

And as others have mentioned CGC hammers books HARD for staining.

[ENVYotb73]

9.2 sounds like a good guess, unless of course it's my book, in which case you would get a 7.5 cuz cgc hates me.

 

 

(Not serious, it just feels like that lately.)

[Mad_Bob]

I just had 2 X BA 16 (Vol 2) back from the CGC, one newsstand and one direct sales.

 

The NS looked to me to be a 9.6 minimum, the spine has no visible wear, no spine ticks, the book sat flat. All corners were razor sharp, I found a minuscule light non colour breaking dent close to the spine above the bottom staple, around a mm across, and that was it. It came back a 9.4, the graders notes just said, a small stain on the back cover left center. I have looked and looked, still can't see it.

 

The direct sales came back a 9.6, it has light spine wear and a small non colour breaking spine tick, the corners spine side are not as sharp as the NS.

 

So stains are obviously hammered.

[oldbsturgeon]

I wouldn't say .2 lower is really hammered, but it does show the grade will likely be lower than a book without that defect.

[Mad_Bob]

It was 0.2 lower than the DS version, but it was also in better physical condition apart from than the stain (which I still haven't found), so I would appear it was dropped more than 0.2 because of it.

[oldbsturgeon]

sure it's lower, I guess what I would considered hammered would be apparent 9.6+ and it comes back 7.5 or something for the stain.

 

 

[Michelangelo]

sure it's lower, I guess what I would considered hammered would be apparent 9.6+ and it comes back 7.5 or something for the stain.

 

 

something like this has happened to me before - I had a Wolverine #1 that looked to me like a NM book. I bought the book a few years before I sent it to CGC (forgot there was a stain on the back cover)... and didn't look at the book before submitting it because I had my dad do it while he was in Florida...anyway, it came back a 7.5 and I near freaked...

 

no worse feeling that expecting 9.4 and getting 7.5... well maybe there are worse feelings, but this was pretty crummy.

[ciorac]

Rusty staples

 

Not as much as you would think. You can get a 9.0 with very rusty staples. Try that with an equal amount of water stain, or some other stain. Not going to happen

[Sqeggs]

Rusty staples

 

Not as much as you would think. You can get a 9.0 with very rusty staples. Try that with an equal amount of water stain, or some other stain. Not going to happen

 

There have been a couple of times that I've been interested in books graded 8.0 and up. Bought the grader's notes to find that the books had rusty staples that were not visible on the scans. Passed on the books.

[The_SandMan]

Is the back over just as important as the front? That is too say, If the front looks like a 7.5 and the back a has a few 1/4 inch chips outta of it??

[Marty Mann]

CREASE BREAKS COLOR!

 

mm

[joeypost]

Rust with migration to the paper.

 

[Junkdrawer]

Rust with migration to the paper.

 

comicoscopy

[joeypost]

Rust with migration to the paper.

 

comicoscopy

 

Nah, just a really big comic.

[Sqeggs]

Rust with migration to the paper.

 

 

Did the book receive a severe downgrade?

[Bomber-Bob]

Rusty staples

 

Not as much as you would think. You can get a 9.0 with very rusty staples. Try that with an equal amount of water stain, or some other stain. Not going to happen

 

There have been a couple of times that I've been interested in books graded 8.0 and up. Bought the grader's notes to find that the books had rusty staples that were not visible on the scans. Passed on the books.

 

I don't understand why CGC doesn't list rusty staples on the label, similar to tape. I don't like rusty staples and it is very hard to tell by looking at a scan. It's a flaw that can get worse in the slab. I remember seeing it marked on an old label. I once asked CGC to comment here on the Boards in a friendly discussion on rusty staples but got nothing, not even a reply.

[jimjum12]

Rusty staples

 

Not as much as you would think. You can get a 9.0 with very rusty staples. Try that with an equal amount of water stain, or some other stain. Not going to happen

 

There have been a couple of times that I've been interested in books graded 8.0 and up. Bought the grader's notes to find that the books had rusty staples that were not visible on the scans. Passed on the books.

 

I don't understand why CGC doesn't list rusty staples on the label, similar to tape. I don't like rusty staples and it is very hard to tell by looking at a scan. It's a flaw that can get worse in the slab. I remember seeing it marked on an old label. I once asked CGC to comment here on the Boards in a friendly discussion on rusty staples but got nothing, not even a reply.

 

..... I've seen otherwise 9.0's end up in 7.0 slabs due to the most minor amount of rust migration..... they're hard on it, but it's high on the peeve list of many collectors. I personally can live with it in minor amounts on a scarce or wildly cool book ...... but it's hard to beat some nice shiny staples GOD BLESS...

 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)