valiantman Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 hours ago, F For Fake said: I don't think we "need" ages, but we have them all the same. It wouldn't make any difference to me if they went away, but that genie isn't going back into the bottle, so if we are, as a hobby, going to bandy these terms about, it serves us to make them a little more accurate. Golden Age Silver Age Bronze Age 1980s comics 1990s comics Etc. Best of both worlds. F For Fake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 hours ago, F For Fake said: I don't think we "need" ages, but we have them all the same. It wouldn't make any difference to me if they went away, but that genie isn't going back into the bottle, so if we are, as a hobby, going to bandy these terms about, it serves us to make them a little more accurate. I think the "ages" already are going away. Golden Age collectors no longer tend to view the term Golden Age to be all that useful. They now use terms like "pre-Code," "pre-war," "WWII," "post-war," 1930s, 1950s, with a lot more regularity than merely saying Golden Age. Why? Because "pre-code" is much more relevant to describe content and desirability than Golden Age when it comes to Crime, Horror and Romance genres. "Pre-War" and "1930s" denotes a next level of rarity and desirability over mere Golden Age. "WWII era" is more descriptive of content than the broader GA term. This gets even more micro when talking about specific titles - e.g. pre-Robin tecs or Barks WDC&S, etc. I envision a future where I think most comic collectors will recognize that the "ages" terms are just a historical oddity that serve only a limited purpose. The focus will shift to more easily understood and descriptive terms, and we will talk about comic collecting and history without the need to be limited by terms a few DC superhero fans coined over 50 years ago. F For Fake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F For Fake Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 13 hours ago, sfcityduck said: I think the "ages" already are going away. Golden Age collectors no longer tend to view the term Golden Age to be all that useful. They now use terms like "pre-Code," "pre-war," "WWII," "post-war," 1930s, 1950s, with a lot more regularity than merely saying Golden Age. Why? Because "pre-code" is much more relevant to describe content and desirability than Golden Age when it comes to Crime, Horror and Romance genres. "Pre-War" and "1930s" denotes a next level of rarity and desirability over mere Golden Age. "WWII era" is more descriptive of content than the broader GA term. This gets even more micro when talking about specific titles - e.g. pre-Robin tecs or Barks WDC&S, etc. I envision a future where I think most comic collectors will recognize that the "ages" terms are just a historical oddity that serve only a limited purpose. The focus will shift to more easily understood and descriptive terms, and we will talk about comic collecting and history without the need to be limited by terms a few DC superhero fans coined over 50 years ago. Works for me! I agree, I am never going to just search "Golden Age", but I may very likely search "precode horror" or "pch". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyTheAbyss Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 20 hours ago, valiantman said: Golden Age Silver Age Bronze Age 1980s comics 1990s comics Etc. Best of both worlds. Don't like it. My slight OCD needs consistency. Get rid of "age". Make it simple...1950s comics, 1960s comics, etc. That's the most common sense solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeksAreMyPeeps Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 But then are 2000s comics just the first decade, or anything after 1999? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 Hello all - It's that time of year, as I call on all boardies to help me put together an annual "crowd-sourced" list of the Top 50 Copper Age keys for the annual Overstreet Price Guide. What are the key books of this era? What books need to be added based on this year’s market – and which books from previous years get the boot? For this list, we're working from a (rough) 1982 to 1992 timeline here. Last year's list (which appears on p. 117 of the Guide) included the following books: Albedo #2 Amazing Spider-Man #238, #252, #298, #300, #316 Archie's Girls Betty and Veronica #320 Batman #357, #404, #428 Batman: The Dark Knight Returns #1 Batman: The Killing Joke Bone #1 Caliber Presents #1 Comico Primer #2 Crisis on Infinite Earths #7 The Crow #1 Daredevil #181 DC Comics Presents #47 Evil Ernie #1 G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero #1, #21 Harbinger #1 Incredible Hulk #271, #340 Marvel Graphic Novel #4 Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #8 Miracleman #15 New Mutants #87, #98 Punisher (limited series) #1 Sandman #1, #8 Spectacular Spider-Man #64 Silver Surfer #34 Spawn #1 Suicide Squad #1 Superman #75 Swamp Thing #21, #37 Tales of the New Teen Titans #44 Thor #337 Transformers #1 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #1 Uncanny X-Men #221, #266 Warrior (UK Magazine) #1 Watchmen #1 Wolverine (limited series) #1 X-Factor #6 What are your thoughts and suggestions? As always, while I'll use some "editorial oversight", I promise to do my best to reflect the consensus of the discussion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divad Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) Well, 1st thought - it's been shown that ASM #301 is a much tougher book than #298. Bats #423 is worthy of your consideration. And Suicide Squad #1 . . . Just. Doesn't. Belong. Daredevil #254 has clearly replaced #181 as the CA darling . . . And lastly, Thor #411 & 412 are worthy of serious consideration, if not now, when? Edited December 11, 2018 by divad Brock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTLarsen Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 On 11/6/2018 at 1:31 PM, RockMyAmadeus said: Don't trust ANYONE'S word completely. Everyone makes mistakes. I still have about a short box of all flavors. Waiting for Miller to come down to earth. Probably now. As far as the printing issues, no, doesn't affect them at all. 27 minutes ago, divad said: Well, 1st thought - it's been shown that ASM #301 is a much tougher book than #298. And Suicide Squad #1 . . . Just. Doesn't. Belong. Replace it with Wonder Woman 72. Brock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTLarsen Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, JTLarsen said: Replace it with Wonder Woman 72. Or Suicide Squad 23, for that matter. Brock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeksAreMyPeeps Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Silver Surfer 44, Thanos Quest, or Infinity Gauntlet 1 might need some consideration for the next year. If we're including 1992, Eternal Warrior #1 & Rai #0 should be considered, now that the Bloodshot movie is in production. Who gets the boot? I would say Transformers #1 or Suicide Squad #1 can go. Brock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, GeeksAreMyPeeps said: Silver Surfer 44, Thanos Quest, or Infinity Gauntlet 1 might need some consideration for the next year. If we're including 1992, Eternal Warrior #1 & Rai #0 should be considered, now that the Bloodshot movie is in production. Who gets the boot? I would say Transformers #1 or Suicide Squad #1 can go. I know you meant Eternal Warrior 4 here, but...maybe wait until the movie comes out first? Not saying those Valiants won't warrant consideration for a year or two, but I doubt either would still be on the list four years from now. and I'd be hard-pressed to drop Transformers # 1, given that it's inspired seven movies so far and is still going strong (with _great_ reviews for Bumblebee). It may no longer be en vogue among speculators because it's old news but it remains a major key. I also think X-Factor 6 can go. I'm old-school and always thought X-Factor 24 was a bigger key anyway, but with the movie in our rear-view and prices having tanked, I don't see # 6 coming back anytime soon. I reckon I'll be saying the same about Spectacular Spider-Man 64 next year once the show's been cancelled. Edited December 11, 2018 by Gatsby77 Brock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwoogieman Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 ASM 361 - published 4/92 Brock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aweandlorder Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 (edited) Marvel Age #41 & 97 Edited December 11, 2018 by Aweandlorder Brock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehorseshoe Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I think you could add G.I. Joe 155 and Cry For Dawn #1 to that list and not offend anyone. Brock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfingh Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 4 hours ago, Aweandlorder said: Marvel Age #41 & 97 Those make me profoundly sad, but based on value they probably should be in there. Brock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aweandlorder Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, seanfingh said: Those make me profoundly sad, but based on value they probably should be in there. Absolutely. It's a reflection of how the market acts today as a whole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeksAreMyPeeps Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 5 hours ago, Aweandlorder said: Marvel Age #41 & 97 Is Marvel Age 41 hot simply because of the Stan Lee cover? If so, I wonder why we don't see similar action for Marvel Vision 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aweandlorder Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, GeeksAreMyPeeps said: Is Marvel Age 41 hot simply because of the Stan Lee cover? If so, I wonder why we don't see similar action for Marvel Vision 4. Sometime last year these started to sell well as signed slabs, once it was known that this book sells well with stan signing it, it started selling well raw... I can think of many Stan cover comics that do well, my personal favorite was Comic Reader #179, which is actually not my favorite now anymore since he passed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeksAreMyPeeps Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, bluehorseshoe said: I think you could add G.I. Joe 155 and Cry For Dawn #1 to that list and not offend anyone. Cry For Dawn makes sense. But G.I. Joe 155; other than having a low print run, is there anything key about it? There are plenty of last issues with low print runs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broke as a Joke Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Last years list was pretty spot on. Suicide Squad 1, X-Factor 6, and UXM 221 can all drop off no problem this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...