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[Spider-Dan]

Which, if it was straight, documented fact and not conjecture, presented in an unbiased way with a minimum of labeling *cough* deceitful *cough* and presented as a question and not a conclusion I think most people would not have a problem with that information being presented in their sales thread if it was impossible to correct the listing or get a proper answer via PM.

 

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There was no conjecture over the comic in question, as it's the same comic. Also, as the seller has on prior occasions been reminded via pm by multiple board members that some of his offerings are pedigree comics that have had their provenance erased with his resubmission, and he's chosen to do nothing about it, a pm would have been without purpose.

 

"Multiple" board memebers? And offering"s"?.

 

It was one book, and one PM by you, AND I owned up to it IN thread.

 

The only "Multiple" I know is the number of Boardies that have PM'd me in the last 2 days telling me to ignore you because your an a**

[DrWatson]

I am super late to this party. Is there a contingent of Boardies that is stating that in order to be a good seller here you need to disclose whether your book was formerly graded?

Yes, there is. Give 'em ginger lawyer hell.

 

No. This boardie is stating that in order to be a good seller here you should disclose if your book was formerly graded two or more units lower.

Is that not formerly graded?

 

You and I both know there's enough wobble in the level of consistency at CGC that a change of a single grading unit isn't enough to raise an eyebrow. When a book changes two or more grades, it's material information to at least a subset of prospective buyers.

Whether or not it is material information is your opinion. Your "wobble" can move anywhere from one grade to three grades. You're splitting atoms.

[lookwhoitis]

Every so often, Big Swinging Deeks get stepped on when they are all a-twirl.

[namisgr]

I am super late to this party. Is there a contingent of Boardies that is stating that in order to be a good seller here you need to disclose whether your book was formerly graded?

Yes, there is. Give 'em ginger lawyer hell.

 

No. This boardie is stating that in order to be a good seller here you should disclose if your book was formerly graded two or more units lower.

Is that not formerly graded?

 

You and I both know there's enough wobble in the level of consistency at CGC that a change of a single grading unit isn't enough to raise an eyebrow. When a book changes two or more grades, it's material information to at least a subset of prospective buyers.

Whether or not it is material information is your opinion. Your "wobble" can move anywhere from one grade to three grades. You're splitting atoms.

 

I agree that not everyone cares about this type of information. But some do.

[seanfingh]

 

This book was in a 9.4 blue label holder. I cracked it and got it signed by Steve Englehart. If I ever decided to sell it, is the proposal that I have to disclose what it was before? Also, this is not hypothetical.

 

[namisgr]

 

"Multiple" board memebers? And offering"s"?.

 

It was one book, and one PM by you, AND I owned up to it IN thread.

 

The only "Multiple" I know is the number of Boardies that have PM'd me in the last 2 days telling me to ignore you because your an a**

 

Nice shot, Dan.

 

I recall identifying one of your previous offerings as an unattributed pedigree copy, and pointed out in your thread that the book was from a Pedigree. After doing so, I received private messages from two other board members who pointed out to me other examples from your prior sales. Hence, my use of the term 'multiple'.

[namisgr]

This book was in a 9.4 blue label holder. I cracked it and got it signed by Steve Englehart. If I ever decided to sell it, is the proposal that I have to disclose what it was before? Also, this is not hypothetical.

 

No, you don't have to.

 

But if it were me, I would. I certainly would on a big ticket item like an old SA highgrade book with a four grand asking price. Indeed I did so the one time I sold a book that fits the bill. And if you don't, and someone else knows that it used to be graded two units lower, be prepared that they might provide the information that you've chosen not to.

[Spider-Dan]

 

"Multiple" board memebers? And offering"s"?.

 

It was one book, and one PM by you, AND I owned up to it IN thread.

 

The only "Multiple" I know is the number of Boardies that have PM'd me in the last 2 days telling me to ignore you because your an a**

 

Nice shot, Dan.

 

I recall identifying one of your previous offerings as an unattributed Boston copy, and pointed out in your thread that the book was from a Pedigree. After doing so, I received private messages from two other board members who pointed out to me other examples from your prior sales. Hence, my use of the term 'multiple'.

 

 

I dont recall cracking any other Ped's. I did sell a Boston Ped STILL in the Old Case

 

Anyone wanna guess who it was that KRAPPED in my ASM 29 Pedigree thread when it was sale???

 

Are you the Chief of the Board police or just an Officer?

[Spider-Dan]

This book was in a 9.4 blue label holder. I cracked it and got it signed by Steve Englehart. If I ever decided to sell it, is the proposal that I have to disclose what it was before? Also, this is not hypothetical.

 

No.

 

But if it were me, I would. I certainly would on a big ticket item like an old SA highgrade book with a four grand asking price. And if you don't, and someone else knows that it used to be graded two units lower, be prepared that they might provide the information that you've chosen not to.

 

"No" - So then YOU have the Authority to pick and choose what has to be disclosed based on dollar value? WOW

[namisgr]

This book was in a 9.4 blue label holder. I cracked it and got it signed by Steve Englehart. If I ever decided to sell it, is the proposal that I have to disclose what it was before? Also, this is not hypothetical.

 

No.

 

But if it were me, I would. I certainly would on a big ticket item like an old SA highgrade book with a four grand asking price. And if you don't, and someone else knows that it used to be graded two units lower, be prepared that they might provide the information that you've chosen not to.

 

"No" - So then YOU have the Authority to pick and choose what has to be disclosed based on dollar value?

 

You seem confused. All of us have responsibility in keeping the commerce in our marketplace of high integrity. Including you.

[seanfingh]

This book was in a 9.4 blue label holder. I cracked it and got it signed by Steve Englehart. If I ever decided to sell it, is the proposal that I have to disclose what it was before? Also, this is not hypothetical.

 

No, you don't have to.

 

But if it were me, I would. I certainly would on a big ticket item like an old SA highgrade book with a four grand asking price. Indeed I did so the one time I sold a book that fits the bill. And if you don't, and someone else knows that it used to be graded two units lower, be prepared that they might provide the information that you've chosen not to.

 

Bob, that is part of the issue as I see it. Whether you are right or wrong being left completely aside, if this becomes the precedent, then the precedent that is set is not just going to obtain for multi-thousand dollar SA books. If the consensus is that this is an issue (like pressing was) then it will be important to be consistent across the Board.

 

And even though I consider it to be a non-issue (as i did pressing) I will provide in my sales threads all the information that the Boards determine to be appropriate.

 

So is Bob an outlier, or is this something that has consensus?

[Spider-Dan]

This book was in a 9.4 blue label holder. I cracked it and got it signed by Steve Englehart. If I ever decided to sell it, is the proposal that I have to disclose what it was before? Also, this is not hypothetical.

 

No.

 

But if it were me, I would. I certainly would on a big ticket item like an old SA highgrade book with a four grand asking price. And if you don't, and someone else knows that it used to be graded two units lower, be prepared that they might provide the information that you've chosen not to.

 

"No" - So then YOU have the Authority to pick and choose what has to be disclosed based on dollar value?

 

You seem confused. All of us have responsibility in keeping the commerce in our marketplace of high integrity.

 

Im not confused. Based on your "No" answer, your contradicting yourself

 

You seemed very clear-cut when you started this campaign against me, now your talking out both sides of your mouth.

 

Do you have to disclose or not??

[lookwhoitis]

Why would someone destroy a books Pedigree provenance? I do not understand.

 

Isn't the book worth more as a Pedigree?

[comix4fun]

I remember when minutiae in comic collecting was defined as not wanting books with chipping, or steering away from corner creases. People would call those people anal in the day.

 

Minutiae has been redefined for a new generation, and the difference of view is as different as a hand held magnifying glass to an electron microscope.

 

I also remember the serious problems this hobby has faced over the years, the undisclosed restoration, the trimming, the Eastern File copies, etc etc.

 

Perhaps we've moved beyond the serious problems in the hobby enough to where anything, and from the looks of it ANYTHING, can be deemed a serious problem.

 

Combine that with the new age minutiae collector mentality we are seeing lately and you've got federal cases being opened all up and down the line.

 

Sometimes, I long for a return to the days of 2 grades, Good and Fine/Mint.

[lookwhoitis]

 

Sometimes, I long for a return to the days of 2 grades, Good and Fine/Mint.

 

+1

 

 

This is all over my head . I like the best presenting book that I can easily afford and read. $4K books... Sheesh-kebab!

[Spider-Dan]

Why would someone destroy a books Pedigree provenance? I do not understand.

 

Isn't the book worth more as a Pedigree?

 

I cracked an Old Label ASM #29 for re-subbing in hopes a grade bump. I did not realize it was the Green River Pedigree and I didnt add the Pedigree to the sub form. I screwed up. When I posted it for sale it took all of 5 minutes before Bob the Board Cop posted what it WAS. And even went as far as posting a scan of it. In MY sales thread.

[namisgr]

This book was in a 9.4 blue label holder. I cracked it and got it signed by Steve Englehart. If I ever decided to sell it, is the proposal that I have to disclose what it was before? Also, this is not hypothetical.

 

No.

 

But if it were me, I would. I certainly would on a big ticket item like an old SA highgrade book with a four grand asking price. And if you don't, and someone else knows that it used to be graded two units lower, be prepared that they might provide the information that you've chosen not to.

 

"No" - So then YOU have the Authority to pick and choose what has to be disclosed based on dollar value?

 

You seem confused. All of us have responsibility in keeping the commerce in our marketplace of high integrity.

 

Im not confused. Based on your "No" answer, your contradicting yourself

 

You seemed very clear-cut when you started this campaign against me, now your talking out both sides of your mouth.

 

Do you have to disclose or not??

 

No. But you should, because it provides information useful to a subset of prospective buyers. It's selling with full integrity. And if you don't, you should be prepared to have the information posted by somebody else that has it. And not turn to threats and obscenities when it happens.

 

 

 

[DrWatson]

This book was in a 9.4 blue label holder. I cracked it and got it signed by Steve Englehart. If I ever decided to sell it, is the proposal that I have to disclose what it was before? Also, this is not hypothetical.

 

No, you don't have to.

 

But if it were me, I would. I certainly would on a big ticket item like an old SA highgrade book with a four grand asking price. Indeed I did so the one time I sold a book that fits the bill. And if you don't, and someone else knows that it used to be graded two units lower, be prepared that they might provide the information that you've chosen not to.

 

Bob, that is part of the issue as I see it. Whether you are right or wrong being left completely aside, if this becomes the precedent, then the precedent that is set is not just going to obtain for multi-thousand dollar SA books. If the consensus is that this is an issue (like pressing was) then it will be important to be consistent across the Board.

 

And even though I consider it to be a non-issue (as i did pressing) I will provide in my sales threads all the information that the Boards determine to be appropriate.

 

So is Bob an outlier, or is this something that has consensus?

Outlier.

[Spider-Dan]

This book was in a 9.4 blue label holder. I cracked it and got it signed by Steve Englehart. If I ever decided to sell it, is the proposal that I have to disclose what it was before? Also, this is not hypothetical.

 

No.

 

But if it were me, I would. I certainly would on a big ticket item like an old SA highgrade book with a four grand asking price. And if you don't, and someone else knows that it used to be graded two units lower, be prepared that they might provide the information that you've chosen not to.

 

"No" - So then YOU have the Authority to pick and choose what has to be disclosed based on dollar value?

 

You seem confused. All of us have responsibility in keeping the commerce in our marketplace of high integrity.

 

Im not confused. Based on your "No" answer, your contradicting yourself

 

You seemed very clear-cut when you started this campaign against me, now your talking out both sides of your mouth.

 

Do you have to disclose or not??

 

No. But you should, because it provides information useful to a subset of prospective buyers. It's selling with full integrity. And if you don't, you should be prepared to have the information posted by somebody else that has it. And not turn to threats and obsenities.

 

No threats here. And Cmon its almost 2012 azz isnt obscene

 

What I dont understand is if YOU were interested in the FF as you claimed earlier, that it would be a nice upgrade for you, why not just send me a PM and ask me?? Is it because I told you I would never sell books to you because of they way you treated me in the Green River incident? Or is it you get kicks out of doing detective work thinking your busting people? I dont get it...

[namisgr]

This book was in a 9.4 blue label holder. I cracked it and got it signed by Steve Englehart. If I ever decided to sell it, is the proposal that I have to disclose what it was before? Also, this is not hypothetical.

 

No, you don't have to.

 

But if it were me, I would. I certainly would on a big ticket item like an old SA highgrade book with a four grand asking price. Indeed I did so the one time I sold a book that fits the bill. And if you don't, and someone else knows that it used to be graded two units lower, be prepared that they might provide the information that you've chosen not to.

 

Bob, that is part of the issue as I see it. Whether you are right or wrong being left completely aside, if this becomes the precedent, then the precedent that is set is not just going to obtain for multi-thousand dollar SA books. If the consensus is that this is an issue (like pressing was) then it will be important to be consistent across the Board.

 

And even though I consider it to be a non-issue (as i did pressing) I will provide in my sales threads all the information that the Boards determine to be appropriate.

 

So is Bob an outlier, or is this something that has consensus?

Outlier.