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[marmat]

Here's the thing: many time I read on sales threads that shipping within the USA is free and international buyers pays exact shipping. Should a seller that offer free domestic shipping offering a similar discount on international shipping cost?

 

That's an interesting one.

I don't know that I've ever seen that. Usually what I see is free domestic shipping, and some amount off international, like ten bucks or whatever.

 

Belive me, it happens a lot.

To be fair, I have to say that there are seller who DO offer discount on international shipping, but may dont

 

So let's say I sell you a $100 comic and it's going to cost $30 to get it to you. What difference does it make if I sell it to you at $100 + $30 shipping, or $110 + $20 shipping?

 

It really seems like ignorance is bliss in this discussion. Either way, you're paying for the fees, or you're paying for the shipping costs. The difference, on one hand, is the seller is giving you the appearance that you are getting a "deal" when in fact, that "deal" is just being built into the sales price.

 

Man, did I explained myself that bad? Where the bold part comes from?

 

Item cost $100 and seller offer free domestic shipping ($10 saving, to say a number)

International buyer bought the item, international shipping is $30, all I am saying is that it would be great costumer service if the seller cherge $120 ($100+$30 shipping - $10 discount)

 

 

 

[MediumLover]

[Jeffro.]

Here's the thing: many time I read on sales threads that shipping within the USA is free and international buyers pays exact shipping. Should a seller that offer free domestic shipping offering a similar discount on international shipping cost?

 

That's an interesting one.

I don't know that I've ever seen that. Usually what I see is free domestic shipping, and some amount off international, like ten bucks or whatever.

 

Belive me, it happens a lot.

To be fair, I have to say that there are seller who DO offer discount on international shipping, but may dont

 

So let's say I sell you a $100 comic and it's going to cost $30 to get it to you. What difference does it make if I sell it to you at $100 + $30 shipping, or $110 + $20 shipping?

 

It really seems like ignorance is bliss in this discussion. Either way, you're paying for the fees, or you're paying for the shipping costs. The difference, on one hand, is the seller is giving you the appearance that you are getting a "deal" when in fact, that "deal" is just being built into the sales price.

 

Man, did I explained myself that bad? Where the bold part comes from?

 

Item cost $100 and seller offer free domestic shipping ($10 saving, to say a number)

International buyer bought the item, international shipping is $30, all I am saying is that it would be great costumer service if the seller cherge $120 ($100+$30 shipping - $10 discount)

 

So basically, you want the perception of a discount even though it might not really be a discount, ie the seller built that $10 "discount" into his asking price. The perception is that you are getting a $10 shipping discount when, in reality, you paid that $10 because it was built into the seller's asking price. However, they did it without announcing it, unlike some sellers who choose to blatantly spell out that they are passing that cost, or the cost of PP fees on to the buyer.

 

Yes, I know some sellers choose to eat shipping costs. They simply charge a certain fixed amount and do not build that loss into their asking price. I did that in the recent VCC because I thought it would help make sales more attractive to buyers.

[Kevin.J]

I belive that if a seller offer a discount, than he should give it to every potential costumer, not only to a selected category

 

So what is the answer to your query? Are you saying he should eat international shipping which could be $20 - infinity in costs? Or that international customers should receive the value of free domestic shipping?

 

The latter has some cachet with me, the former is abject craziness.

 

Sean, you are smart enough to know that the right answer is the latter.

Never said seller should eat international shipping cost in full....only that if they offer free domestic shipping (lets say $10) then it would be a great customer service practice to offer a similar discount on international shipping (lets say $30 minus $8-$10)

 

If I offer free domestic shipping, I offer a discount on International shipping here...I do it to be fair to the out of area boarders, but it's a PITA, .

 

First of all, I think I've only sold one or two slabs in my life, I usually keep those, so most of my books can go out inexpensively here ...and for much less than $10.

 

2ndly, Paypal fees for out of the US are higher ...and lastly

 

We can have priority international mail picked up, but not first class. I get free priority boxes, but if I want to send something first class I need to find a box, drive to the PO and fill out all kinds of paper work.

 

If I were selling $100 books, I could see it, but usually I'm selling $10 books, unless someone takes a bunch it really is not worth my time to take an extra hour to mail it...and I hate to insist on Priority for out of the US...because of the cost...I've tried it, but I always feel guilty asking.

 

I've tried all kinds of combinations...offering to ship out of the US priority only, offering to ship first class for a minimum purchase...just have not found a happy medium yet....

 

I don't think it's that people want to be mean to out of US buyers, it's just a small series of inconveniences that seem to add up.

 

What's a bleeding jammer?

 

To translate for Gav, Jammy bleeders = Lucky people

[Speedy-D]

Here's the thing: many time I read on sales threads that shipping within the USA is free and international buyers pays exact shipping. Should a seller that offer free domestic shipping offering a similar discount on international shipping cost?

 

That's an interesting one.

I don't know that I've ever seen that. Usually what I see is free domestic shipping, and some amount off international, like ten bucks or whatever.

 

Belive me, it happens a lot.

To be fair, I have to say that there are seller who DO offer discount on international shipping, but may dont

 

So let's say I sell you a $100 comic and it's going to cost $30 to get it to you. What difference does it make if I sell it to you at $100 + $30 shipping, or $110 + $20 shipping?

 

It really seems like ignorance is bliss in this discussion. Either way, you're paying for the fees, or you're paying for the shipping costs. The difference, on one hand, is the seller is giving you the appearance that you are getting a "deal" when in fact, that "deal" is just being built into the sales price.

 

Man, did I explained myself that bad? Where the bold part comes from?

 

Item cost $100 and seller offer free domestic shipping ($10 saving, to say a number)

International buyer bought the item, international shipping is $30, all I am saying is that it would be great costumer service if the seller cherge $120 ($100+$30 shipping - $10 discount)

 

So basically, you want the perception of a discount even though it might not really be a discount, ie the seller built that $10 "discount" into his asking price. The perception is that you are getting a $10 shipping discount when, in reality, you paid that $10 because it was built into the seller's asking price. However, they did it without announcing it, unlike some sellers who choose to blatantly spell out that they are passing that cost, or the cost of PP fees on to the buyer.

 

Yes, I know some sellers choose to eat shipping costs. They simply charge a certain fixed amount and do not build that loss into their asking price. I did that in the recent VCC because I thought it would help make sales more attractive to buyers.

First of all, Man, you are really not buying this!

 

Second of all, call it a discount or whatever you want, but $20 vs. $30 for shipping on a $100 comic is less. You can't argue against that!

[Balham's Finest]

Here's the thing: many time I read on sales threads that shipping within the USA is free and international buyers pays exact shipping. Should a seller that offer free domestic shipping offering a similar discount on international shipping cost?

 

That's an interesting one.

I don't know that I've ever seen that. Usually what I see is free domestic shipping, and some amount off international, like ten bucks or whatever.

 

Belive me, it happens a lot.

To be fair, I have to say that there are seller who DO offer discount on international shipping, but may dont

 

So let's say I sell you a $100 comic and it's going to cost $30 to get it to you. What difference does it make if I sell it to you at $100 + $30 shipping, or $110 + $20 shipping?

 

It really seems like ignorance is bliss in this discussion. Either way, you're paying for the fees, or you're paying for the shipping costs. The difference, on one hand, is the seller is giving you the appearance that you are getting a "deal" when in fact, that "deal" is just being built into the sales price.

 

Man, did I explained myself that bad? Where the bold part comes from?

 

Item cost $100 and seller offer free domestic shipping ($10 saving, to say a number)

International buyer bought the item, international shipping is $30, all I am saying is that it would be great costumer service if the seller cherge $120 ($100+$30 shipping - $10 discount)

 

So basically, you want the perception of a discount even though it might not really be a discount, ie the seller built that $10 "discount" into his asking price. The perception is that you are getting a $10 shipping discount when, in reality, you paid that $10 because it was built into the seller's asking price. However, they did it without announcing it, unlike some sellers who choose to blatantly spell out that they are passing that cost, or the cost of PP fees on to the buyer.

 

Yes, I know some sellers choose to eat shipping costs. They simply charge a certain fixed amount and do not build that loss into their asking price. I did that in the recent VCC because I thought it would help make sales more attractive to buyers.

First of all, Man, you are really not buying this!

 

Second of all, call it a discount or whatever you want, but $20 vs. $30 for shipping on a $100 comic is less. You can't argue against that!

 

I don't think he gets it.

 

A comic is on sale on the boards for $100. Not $100 to US, $110 elsewhere - just a straightforward $100.

 

Seller says if you are in the US, you pay no shipping. If you are international, you pay exact.

 

Let's say it costs seller $10 to ship in US, $30 to ship international.

 

A US buyer therefore pays $100 (price of comic) plus $0 (price of shipping). Seller eats $10 of shipping cost.

 

An international buyer pays $100 (price of comic) plus $30 (price of shipping). Seller eats $0 of shipping cost.

 

The point that is being made is that if the Seller is willing to eat $10 of cost for a US buyer, why not do the same for an international buyer? In other words, international buyer pays $100 (price of comic) plus $20 (price of shipping less $10 seller discount). Seller eats $10 of shipping cost.

 

I thought it was pretty clear before, but hopefully this helps. It's not a perceived discount, it's a real one.

[revat]

I think as long as you make it clear, you can do whichever you like. For some sellers, selling internationally comes with some sort of added risk and extra paperwork, and the extra time and effort reduces the desire to discount. Some sellers have free domestic shipping because of their job. All of these are ok, as long as its made clear ahead of time.

 

If I were buying from someone in Canada (I live in US), and they said 'free shipping in canada, exact to US', I would pay the advertised price and expect to also pay the full shipping price on top of the advertised purchase price. I think most reasonable people would.

 

Like if you buy something from Amazon or another website that has free domestic shipping. If I buy internationally, I know I'm paying full shipping price, not "Amazon price - domestic shipping price + int'l shipping price."

[Balham's Finest]

Fair points. Personally, it doesn't make a big difference - like Gav said earlier, it's a "nice to see" that a "get upset if it's not offered".

[AJD]

I belive that if a seller offer a discount, than he should give it to every potential costumer, not only to a selected category

 

So what is the answer to your query? Are you saying he should eat international shipping which could be $20 - infinity in costs? Or that international customers should receive the value of free domestic shipping?

 

The latter has some cachet with me, the former is abject craziness.

 

Sean, you are smart enough to know that the right answer is the latter.

Never said seller should eat international shipping cost in full....only that if they offer free domestic shipping (lets say $10) then it would be a great customer service practice to offer a similar discount on international shipping (lets say $30 minus $8-$10)

 

If I offer free domestic shipping, I offer a discount on International shipping here...I do it to be fair to the out of area boarders, but it's a PITA, .

 

First of all, I think I've only sold one or two slabs in my life, I usually keep those, so most of my books can go out inexpensively here ...and for much less than $10.

 

2ndly, Paypal fees for out of the US are higher ...and lastly

 

We can have priority international mail picked up, but not first class. I get free priority boxes, but if I want to send something first class I need to find a box, drive to the PO and fill out all kinds of paper work.

 

If I were selling $100 books, I could see it, but usually I'm selling $10 books, unless someone takes a bunch it really is not worth my time to take an extra hour to mail it...and I hate to insist on Priority for out of the US...because of the cost...I've tried it, but I always feel guilty asking.

 

I've tried all kinds of combinations...offering to ship out of the US priority only, offering to ship first class for a minimum purchase...just have not found a happy medium yet....

 

I don't think it's that people want to be mean to out of US buyers, it's just a small series of inconveniences that seem to add up.

 

What's a bleeding jammer?

 

I appreciated your efforts to mail books to me Sharon, noting the PITA.

[thehumantorch]

I think as long as you make it clear, you can do whichever you like. For some sellers, selling internationally comes with some sort of added risk and extra paperwork, and the extra time and effort reduces the desire to discount. Some sellers have free domestic shipping because of their job. All of these are ok, as long as its made clear ahead of time.

 

If I were buying from someone in Canada (I live in US), and they said 'free shipping in canada, exact to US', I would pay the advertised price and expect to also pay the full shipping price on top of the advertised purchase price. I think most reasonable people would.

 

Like if you buy something from Amazon or another website that has free domestic shipping. If I buy internationally, I know I'm paying full shipping price, not "Amazon price - domestic shipping price + int'l shipping price."

 

Indeed. If I don't like the seller's terms I move on. There is no gun to my head.

[Iceman399]

I think as long as you make it clear, you can do whichever you like. For some sellers, selling internationally comes with some sort of added risk and extra paperwork, and the extra time and effort reduces the desire to discount. Some sellers have free domestic shipping because of their job. All of these are ok, as long as its made clear ahead of time.

 

If I were buying from someone in Canada (I live in US), and they said 'free shipping in canada, exact to US', I would pay the advertised price and expect to also pay the full shipping price on top of the advertised purchase price. I think most reasonable people would.

 

Like if you buy something from Amazon or another website that has free domestic shipping. If I buy internationally, I know I'm paying full shipping price, not "Amazon price - domestic shipping price + int'l shipping price."

 

Indeed. If I don't like the seller's terms I move on. There is no gun to my head.

 

 

now there is a tomato!

[Jeffro.]

Here's the thing: many time I read on sales threads that shipping within the USA is free and international buyers pays exact shipping. Should a seller that offer free domestic shipping offering a similar discount on international shipping cost?

 

That's an interesting one.

I don't know that I've ever seen that. Usually what I see is free domestic shipping, and some amount off international, like ten bucks or whatever.

 

Belive me, it happens a lot.

To be fair, I have to say that there are seller who DO offer discount on international shipping, but may dont

 

So let's say I sell you a $100 comic and it's going to cost $30 to get it to you. What difference does it make if I sell it to you at $100 + $30 shipping, or $110 + $20 shipping?

 

It really seems like ignorance is bliss in this discussion. Either way, you're paying for the fees, or you're paying for the shipping costs. The difference, on one hand, is the seller is giving you the appearance that you are getting a "deal" when in fact, that "deal" is just being built into the sales price.

 

Man, did I explained myself that bad? Where the bold part comes from?

 

Item cost $100 and seller offer free domestic shipping ($10 saving, to say a number)

International buyer bought the item, international shipping is $30, all I am saying is that it would be great costumer service if the seller cherge $120 ($100+$30 shipping - $10 discount)

 

So basically, you want the perception of a discount even though it might not really be a discount, ie the seller built that $10 "discount" into his asking price. The perception is that you are getting a $10 shipping discount when, in reality, you paid that $10 because it was built into the seller's asking price. However, they did it without announcing it, unlike some sellers who choose to blatantly spell out that they are passing that cost, or the cost of PP fees on to the buyer.

 

Yes, I know some sellers choose to eat shipping costs. They simply charge a certain fixed amount and do not build that loss into their asking price. I did that in the recent VCC because I thought it would help make sales more attractive to buyers.

First of all, Man, you are really not buying this!

 

Second of all, call it a discount or whatever you want, but $20 vs. $30 for shipping on a $100 comic is less. You can't argue against that!

 

I don't think he gets it.

 

A comic is on sale on the boards for $100. Not $100 to US, $110 elsewhere - just a straightforward $100.

 

Seller says if you are in the US, you pay no shipping. If you are international, you pay exact.

 

Let's say it costs seller $10 to ship in US, $30 to ship international.

 

A US buyer therefore pays $100 (price of comic) plus $0 (price of shipping). Seller eats $10 of shipping cost.

 

An international buyer pays $100 (price of comic) plus $30 (price of shipping). Seller eats $0 of shipping cost.

 

The point that is being made is that if the Seller is willing to eat $10 of cost for a US buyer, why not do the same for an international buyer? In other words, international buyer pays $100 (price of comic) plus $20 (price of shipping less $10 seller discount). Seller eats $10 of shipping cost.

 

I thought it was pretty clear before, but hopefully this helps. It's not a perceived discount, it's a real one.

 

I get that. International buyers would like a shipping discount. I guess I'm not articulating my point well enough.

[thirdgreenham]

Here's the thing: many time I read on sales threads that shipping within the USA is free and international buyers pays exact shipping. Should a seller that offer free domestic shipping offering a similar discount on international shipping cost?

 

That's an interesting one.

I don't know that I've ever seen that. Usually what I see is free domestic shipping, and some amount off international, like ten bucks or whatever.

 

Belive me, it happens a lot.

To be fair, I have to say that there are seller who DO offer discount on international shipping, but may dont

 

So let's say I sell you a $100 comic and it's going to cost $30 to get it to you. What difference does it make if I sell it to you at $100 + $30 shipping, or $110 + $20 shipping?

 

It really seems like ignorance is bliss in this discussion. Either way, you're paying for the fees, or you're paying for the shipping costs. The difference, on one hand, is the seller is giving you the appearance that you are getting a "deal" when in fact, that "deal" is just being built into the sales price.

 

Man, did I explained myself that bad? Where the bold part comes from?

 

Item cost $100 and seller offer free domestic shipping ($10 saving, to say a number)

International buyer bought the item, international shipping is $30, all I am saying is that it would be great costumer service if the seller cherge $120 ($100+$30 shipping - $10 discount)

 

So basically, you want the perception of a discount even though it might not really be a discount, ie the seller built that $10 "discount" into his asking price. The perception is that you are getting a $10 shipping discount when, in reality, you paid that $10 because it was built into the seller's asking price. However, they did it without announcing it, unlike some sellers who choose to blatantly spell out that they are passing that cost, or the cost of PP fees on to the buyer.

 

Yes, I know some sellers choose to eat shipping costs. They simply charge a certain fixed amount and do not build that loss into their asking price. I did that in the recent VCC because I thought it would help make sales more attractive to buyers.

First of all, Man, you are really not buying this!

 

Second of all, call it a discount or whatever you want, but $20 vs. $30 for shipping on a $100 comic is less. You can't argue against that!

 

I don't think he gets it.

 

A comic is on sale on the boards for $100. Not $100 to US, $110 elsewhere - just a straightforward $100.

 

Seller says if you are in the US, you pay no shipping. If you are international, you pay exact.

 

Let's say it costs seller $10 to ship in US, $30 to ship international.

 

A US buyer therefore pays $100 (price of comic) plus $0 (price of shipping). Seller eats $10 of shipping cost.

 

An international buyer pays $100 (price of comic) plus $30 (price of shipping). Seller eats $0 of shipping cost.

 

The point that is being made is that if the Seller is willing to eat $10 of cost for a US buyer, why not do the same for an international buyer? In other words, international buyer pays $100 (price of comic) plus $20 (price of shipping less $10 seller discount). Seller eats $10 of shipping cost.

 

I thought it was pretty clear before, but hopefully this helps. It's not a perceived discount, it's a real one.

 

I get that. International buyers would like a shipping discount. I guess I'm not articulating my point well enough.

 

As usual.

[rodan57]

If the 3% is such an issue to the seller how can I ever negotiate a 10% discount?

[thirdgreenham]

Not gonna happen.

[KONG]

I'm not paying juice. Never have, never will. I just move along.

 

Next!

[Aces]

I'm not paying juice. Never have, never will. I just move along.

 

Next!

 

Everybody pays juice.

It's only a question if it should itemized and thus you become consciously aware of it.

 

 

[divad]

Q: Is it really threadkrapping if the seller's grade borders on fraudulent? Personally, I don't think so.

[joecgcmaniac]

Q: Is it really threadkrapping if the seller's grade borders on fraudulent? Personally, I don't think so.

 

not threadkrapping, its a public service! (thumbs u

 

 

[Speedy-D]

Q: Is it really threadkrapping if the seller's grade borders on fraudulent? Personally, I don't think so.

 

not threadkrapping, its a public service! (thumbs u

 

 

The more egregious, the easier it is for everyone to pass it by... :shrug: