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[retrothecollector]

Note the waiver of buyer protection, which is another fancy way of saying your insured.

[HarveySwick]

Note the waiver of buyer protection, which is another fancy way of saying your insured.

 

He kept saying "yes, you can pay a friend as many times as you wish with PayPal Personal. The only thing is you're waiving the Buyer Protection."

[JAM_NYC]

I just got off the phone with PayPal. I can send call records if anyone needs proof.

 

I AGAIN confirmed that I can buy goods, from a friend, MORE THAN ONCE, using PayPal Personal.

 

I asked "Ed" to send me an email confirming this. He found it comical that this was being questioned so much and giggled often.

 

I highlighted the relevant section in Notes.

 

 

My one takeaway from all of this?

 

Swick's phone is perpetually under charged. What happens if your car breaks down in the vast deserts of Massachusetts?

 

[skypinkblu]

Just as a piece of information.

 

This is not a departmental memo, it's on their website. I posted this in the other thread where media was being discussed, perhaps you didn't read it because you have me on ignore.

 

https://about.usps.com/notices/not121/not121_tech.htm

 

It's been on their website since Oct 2012.Prior to that, I used media all the time as my PO agreed it was fine.Make any decisions you want, I'm sure you are much smarter than many people.

 

Media - printed music, sound recordings, periodicals, CDs, DVDs, and books.

 

Media Mail packages may not contain advertising. Comic books do not meet this standard. Books may contain incidental announcements of other books and sound recordings may contain incidental announcements of other sound recordings. In accordance with standards in the Mailing Standards of the United States Postal Service, Domestic Mail Manual (DMM), Section 170, Media Mail packages must have a delivery address and the sender’s return address and are subject to inspection by the Postal Service™. Upon such inspection, matter not eligible for the Media Mail rate may be assessed at the proper price and sent to the recipient postage due, or the sender may be contacted for additional postage.

 

For more information about Media Mail service, please visit www.usps.com or call 1-800-ASK-USPS (1-800-275-8777). Complete explanations of qualified items can be found in the DMM.

 

PSN 7610-07-000-4037

 

Notice 121, October 2012

[HarveySwick]

I just got off the phone with PayPal. I can send call records if anyone needs proof.

 

I AGAIN confirmed that I can buy goods, from a friend, MORE THAN ONCE, using PayPal Personal.

 

I asked "Ed" to send me an email confirming this. He found it comical that this was being questioned so much and giggled often.

 

I highlighted the relevant section in Notes.

 

 

My one takeaway from all of this?

 

Swick's phone is perpetually under charged. What happens if your car breaks down in the vast deserts of Massachusetts?

 

 

I have chargers everywhere.

[vaillant]

I asked "Ed" to send me an email confirming this.

 

It should not be acceptable for "Eadric" to refer to himself as "Ed." That "a" throws a wrench in things...

Precisely what I thought. This american way of talking is so crude…

[vaillant]

I have chargers everywhere.

Including people who "charge" you…

[RockMyAmadeus]

 

RMA

 

I'm STILL asking you what Paypal lost out on other than opportunity costs. You say using the services means they are ACTUALLY out something, but you haven't stated what. I want a concrete number (i.e. 2 cents for processing, 1 cent for transmitting, 10 cents for personnel costs etc) some tangible cost.

 

Aren't you a lawyer?

 

Don't you provide intangible services for a fee?

 

If I come talk to you about a case, and you say "before I talk to you, I require a $500 retainer", and I say "no, you provide me your services for free."

 

....how long before I am escorted to the door..?

 

Are you "out" anything? Wouldn't you still exist, and be burning calories, if I never came through the door? What is the tangible cost of that meeting? Has it "cost" you anything?

 

PS. There are actual, tangible costs in maintaining the servers, customer service, etc. Whether or not an individual transaction has "tangible costs" isn't relevant.

 

They're providing a convenience. That convenience has a fee. It's stated, upfront, in very clear terms. Whether someone actually comes along and avails themselves of the service or not isn't relevant...that's Paypal's burden.

 

But, if someone CHOOSES to use Paypal, they have to pay (or, their recipient.)

 

Simple.

 

I never said Paypal was "ACTUALLY" out costs for the transaction. I said they are actually out their rightfully due and payable fee for service rendered, which you have no right to deny them if you've availed yourself of their services. Whether it actually "cost" them anything for your transaction has no bearing on the argument. They are THERE, with the lights on, ready to serve you, if you would like. And if you choose that service, you pay that fee.

 

After all...some ATMs charge a fee for using them. What is the bank providing the ATM "actually out" when someone uses their ATM?

 

1/100th of a cent on machine wear and tear? 1/10th cent labor to service the machine? 1/2 cent on Security measures?

 

Do you get to circumvent the fee just because you don't feel like paying it, and the bank isn't really "out" anything close to what they're charging...?

 

So anytime I use a service that I don't pay for I'm stealing? I don't pay taxes in Pennsylvania but I use their roads at least once a month. Am I stealing from Pennsylvania tax payers?

 

Oh boy. Are you really making this argument...? Really...?

 

Come on. You're trying to compare public services with the activities of a private corporation...?

 

"Public roads" are one of the things that citizens agree to provide....mostly toll free...in exchange for tax money. It has nothing whatsoever to do with private corporations charging for their services.

 

Should I send them a check? For how much? I use Adblocker when I go on Google. Therefore I use their service without them getting ad revenue off me. Am I stealing? I've ACTUALLY used the service without paying for it.

 

The service is provided for free. If it's provided for free, then you aren't required to pay for it.

 

Paypal does NOT provide a purchase service for free.

 

Come on. Are you really making these arguments...? These are just really, really poor arguments.

 

Do I need to change my Vanguard password? You seem to think you know my family and my's share holdings, so I guess I should make the password stronger.

 

I have not a clue what you're talking about, here.

[RockMyAmadeus]

I just got off the phone with PayPal. I can send call records if anyone needs proof.

 

I AGAIN confirmed that I can buy goods, from a friend, MORE THAN ONCE, using PayPal Personal.

 

I asked "Ed" to send me an email confirming this. He found it comical that this was being questioned so much and giggled often.

 

I highlighted the relevant section in Notes.

 

 

 

And *I* got off the phone with Paypal, and spoke to "Christine" (or thereabouts) and SHE confirmed that no, in fact, you CANNOT buy goods "from a friend, more than once, using Paypal personal."

 

I wonder who is correct...?

 

[JAM_NYC]

I just got off the phone with PayPal. I can send call records if anyone needs proof.

 

I AGAIN confirmed that I can buy goods, from a friend, MORE THAN ONCE, using PayPal Personal.

 

I asked "Ed" to send me an email confirming this. He found it comical that this was being questioned so much and giggled often.

 

I highlighted the relevant section in Notes.

 

 

My one takeaway from all of this?

 

Swick's phone is perpetually under charged. What happens if your car breaks down in the vast deserts of Massachusetts?

 

 

I have chargers everywhere.

I'm sure the only place you can't get a charge is on your paypal account.

 

 

[cbalroman]

Did you get an email from "Christine" noting your conversation?

I would like to see it.

[EC ed]

I want her opinion:

 

Louise Pentland

Senior Vice President, General Counsel and Company Secretary

 

Now, I just have to track down her e-mail address

 

Or, she's on LinkedIn...maybe she'll respond to an InMail

[ItsJustRyan]

 

Wha-did-I miss?

 

Are we having fun yet with this PayPal meltdown?

[comix4fun]

We should really look into getting some endorsement dollars around here...

 

 

 

 

[jsilverjanet]

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[RockMyAmadeus]

Just as a piece of information.

 

This is not a departmental memo, it's on their website. I posted this in the other thread where media was being discussed, perhaps you didn't read it because you have me on ignore.

 

https://about.usps.com/notices/not121/not121_tech.htm

 

It's been on their website since Oct 2012.Prior to that, I used media all the time as my PO agreed it was fine.Make any decisions you want, I'm sure you are much smarter than many people.

 

Media - printed music, sound recordings, periodicals, CDs, DVDs, and books.

 

Media Mail packages may not contain advertising. Comic books do not meet this standard. Books may contain incidental announcements of other books and sound recordings may contain incidental announcements of other sound recordings. In accordance with standards in the Mailing Standards of the United States Postal Service, Domestic Mail Manual (DMM), Section 170, Media Mail packages must have a delivery address and the senders return address and are subject to inspection by the Postal Service. Upon such inspection, matter not eligible for the Media Mail rate may be assessed at the proper price and sent to the recipient postage due, or the sender may be contacted for additional postage.

 

For more information about Media Mail service, please visit www.usps.com or call 1-800-ASK-USPS (1-800-275-8777). Complete explanations of qualified items can be found in the DMM.

 

PSN 7610-07-000-4037

 

Notice 121, October 2012

 

And as I said before, if it's not in the DMM, it does not carry the weight of regulation. Whether it's "on their website" (how do you think it got into the website? It was a departmental memo) or not, if it's not in the DMM, then it's not regulation.

 

If it is...show me, and I'll gladly change my stance.

 

You're still debating, and you haven't answered my question about interpretation. No need for snarky comments. Hard to call me a hypocrite if you don't agree to my standards.

[comix4fun]

I just found this gif...thought it was funny...and I am now releasing it into the wilds of general discussion to be used by anyone as they deem fit.

 

 

[cbalroman]

[RockMyAmadeus]

Did you get an email from "Christine" noting your conversation?

I would like to see it.

 

Working on it as we speak.

[RockMyAmadeus]

Lest anyone try to wriggle...

 

Paypal's TERMS overrides any particular representative's statements.

 

If Paypal wants to change their TERMS, by all means, they are free to do so.

 

However...until they do, what "Eadric Lawson" (or, ANYONE at Paypal, yes, that means for OR against) has to say is just their opinion...the Terms of Service are the legal, final say in the matter until and if the TOS is changed.

 

And again...let's not lose sight of the bottom line: Swick and others are arguing to use a service without paying for it, even though that service REQUIRES payment for use.

 

If Paypal wants to give away their services for free, great. Personal payments for all!

 

But UNTIL that happens....no one else has the right to decide not to pay them for their services when their TOS clearly requires it for purchases.