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[skypinkblu]

Sex sells. Always has, which is quite disgusting considering human beings climbed out of the trees 10 million years ago...

 

Wonder when we are going to start acting like we have fully developed frontal lobes?

 

 

 

I think there are mostly very bright people here with very developed brains...I just think that sometimes other viewpoints don't click until someone points them out.

 

That's why I speak up occasionally...and I'm reluctant to speak up, I don't love making waves, disagreeing with people or pointing out that I'm a minority here...

 

However, sometimes I force myself to speak up for the "click effect" ...if I can just wake one person up to the fact that there are covers or comics or books that might make the few of us here uncomfortable, then it's a win win situation both of us.

 

I don't care what people do in the privacy of their homes (or hotel rooms or pup tents;) I don't care how most people make a living, but personally, I would not sell that stuff if I made $1k a book. I'm not a prude...I just don't like to encourage people to think of women in those situations...same way I wouldn't sell any books that show sex scenes with children...or puppies or goldfish or gerbils;)

 

So if one person looks at a book that involves painful sexual acts and says...Ummm..maybe I'll pass on that one...then all my typing has been worth it;)

 

I'm done now though,

[CAHokie]

You should never be reluctant to speak up here. Your opinion is as valid (in most cases, more so) as anyone elses. As you said, some are not aware of things until it is spoken about.

[MetalPSI]

You should never be reluctant to speak up here. Your opinion is as valid (in most cases, more so) as anyone elses. As you said, some are not aware of things until it is spoken about.

 

Ditto

 

We are in a fast pace society and not everyone takes the time to slow down and think about what they see/hear/read.

 

One of the biggest things I have learned in life is that you really should just stop and think. You have all the time in the world to do what you need to do, taking your time to think about what you see, do and say are very important to people like me.

 

Glad there are others around

[slym2none]

I wasn't suggesting it. I was asking a simple question.

 

Check one in the 'yes' box already...

 

You could make it males between the ages of 18 and 25 only, too

 

Yes, but that isn't what I asked.

 

Check two for the yes box.

 

 

 

-slym

[Balham's Finest]

I have no interest in those extremely suggestive covers so I can understand you not liking them. How do you feel about the way artists like Campbell, Tyndall, Horn and McTeigue draw popular female characters? They are obviously well endowed but not (usually) in provocative poses. I will admit that I like those covers, and judging by the way they sell so do a lot of others.

 

I know this question wasn't directed at me, but here's my pet peeve with the types of cover you're talking about: boob pockets.

 

What I mean by that is that female characters are typically drawn wearing costumes that are skintight over the whole of their boobs - costumes that would only actually look like that if they had made to measure built-in pockets for boobs to be tucked in.

 

You never see clothes that look like that in real life, because they don't exist. Certainly the female characters in the movies don't appear like that. It's basically just an excuse to draw naked women and pretend they have clothes on.

 

Now for the record, I'm not disgusted or outraged or anything else over these covers. If people want to publish them and buy them, then fine by me. But it does make me a bit every time I see them. Here's a random example of what I'm talking about. What do you think these outfits would look like on the hanger?

 

[Comicopolis]

It's not the suggestive stuff that bothers me, it's the ones that involve pain and sex that bother me.

 

I don't really collect moderns, but I do collect the older Phantom Lady covers where she was tied up, the Jungle/Jumbo covers where there was bondage and I used to collect Shi...or I accumulated some. Why? Because I liked the colors and the art, I am not attracted to females, but I do like art with the use of beautiful colors.

 

It's the hot wax that bothered me, even though I'm sure it's supposed to be symbolic of other liquids...I saw it as painful...

 

I really love the hobby and I'd love to see more young women posting here and joining in. I see them at shows and I think it's wonderful...more new collectors:) but there are reasons that females get turned off by this site sometimes.

 

Post of the year.

[Comicopolis]

I have no interest in those extremely suggestive covers so I can understand you not liking them. How do you feel about the way artists like Campbell, Tyndall, Horn and McTeigue draw popular female characters? They are obviously well endowed but not (usually) in provocative poses. I will admit that I like those covers, and judging by the way they sell so do a lot of others.

 

I know this question wasn't directed at me, but here's my pet peeve with the types of cover you're talking about: boob pockets.

 

What I mean by that is that female characters are typically drawn wearing costumes that are skintight over the whole of their boobs - costumes that would only actually look like that if they had made to measure built-in pockets for boobs to be tucked in.

 

You never see clothes that look like that in real life, because they don't exist. Certainly the female characters in the movies don't appear like that. It's basically just an excuse to draw naked women and pretend they have clothes on.

 

Now for the record, I'm not disgusted or outraged or anything else over these covers. If people want to publish them and buy them, then fine by me. But it does make me a bit every time I see them. Here's a random example of what I'm talking about. What do you think these outfits would look like on the hanger?

 

 

That's because they are Divas!

[Comicopolis]

The fact that publishers, artists, writers, readers and collectors still want/produce this kind of stuff is a sad indictment of the industry.

 

If only they could produce some well-written stories then I could probably live with having well-endowed women being thrust at me from the pages of a comic book.

[comix4fun]

I have no interest in those extremely suggestive covers so I can understand you not liking them. How do you feel about the way artists like Campbell, Tyndall, Horn and McTeigue draw popular female characters? They are obviously well endowed but not (usually) in provocative poses. I will admit that I like those covers, and judging by the way they sell so do a lot of others.

 

I know this question wasn't directed at me, but here's my pet peeve with the types of cover you're talking about: boob pockets.

 

What I mean by that is that female characters are typically drawn wearing costumes that are skintight over the whole of their boobs - costumes that would only actually look like that if they had made to measure built-in pockets for boobs to be tucked in.

 

You never see clothes that look like that in real life, because they don't exist. Certainly the female characters in the movies don't appear like that. It's basically just an excuse to draw naked women and pretend they have clothes on.

 

Now for the record, I'm not disgusted or outraged or anything else over these covers. If people want to publish them and buy them, then fine by me. But it does make me a bit every time I see them. Here's a random example of what I'm talking about. What do you think these outfits would look like on the hanger?

 

 

 

 

There are plenty of guys, right here on the boards, that could really use clothes with boob pockets built in....

[EC ed]

So, dragon_ball_shane is now WHIZ_BANG_POW?

 

Brrrrrrr...

[VintageComics]

The fact that publishers, artists, writers, readers and collectors still want/produce this kind of stuff is a sad indictment of the industry.

 

If only they could produce some well-written stories then I could probably live with having well-endowed women being thrust at me from the pages of a comic book.

 

They're producing it because people are buying it, so it's more an indictment of the consumer. I said this many years ago on here but I think some people buy these books and ogle cosplayers at cons because it's an 'innocent' and under the radar way of getting their soft porn fix.

[GACollectibles]

I have no interest in those extremely suggestive covers so I can understand you not liking them. How do you feel about the way artists like Campbell, Tyndall, Horn and McTeigue draw popular female characters? They are obviously well endowed but not (usually) in provocative poses. I will admit that I like those covers, and judging by the way they sell so do a lot of others.

 

I know this question wasn't directed at me, but here's my pet peeve with the types of cover you're talking about: boob pockets.

 

What I mean by that is that female characters are typically drawn wearing costumes that are skintight over the whole of their boobs - costumes that would only actually look like that if they had made to measure built-in pockets for boobs to be tucked in.

 

You never see clothes that look like that in real life, because they don't exist. Certainly the female characters in the movies don't appear like that. It's basically just an excuse to draw naked women and pretend they have clothes on.

 

Now for the record, I'm not disgusted or outraged or anything else over these covers. If people want to publish them and buy them, then fine by me. But it does make me a bit every time I see them. Here's a random example of what I'm talking about. What do you think these outfits would look like on the hanger?

 

 

 

 

There are plenty of guys, right here on the boards, that could really use clothes with boob pockets built in....

 

It's just some winter weight dammit, it'll be gone soon.

 

Well, if winter ever ends here.

[Jeffro.]

The fact that publishers, artists, writers, readers and collectors still want/produce this kind of stuff is a sad indictment of the industry.

 

If only they could produce some well-written stories then I could probably live with having well-endowed women being thrust at me from the pages of a comic book.

 

It's not only a comic book industry problem. It's also a sad indictment on advertising, marketing, promotion, etc. However, at its heart, It's really an impact issue. It's not simply a gender or sex issue. In our nightly news, if it bleeds, it leads. Whatever gets the most impact, whether it's sex, violence, tragedy, etc will always be thrust in our faces first and most prominently.

 

[Balham's Finest]

The fact that publishers, artists, writers, readers and collectors still want/produce this kind of stuff is a sad indictment of the industry.

 

If only they could produce some well-written stories then I could probably live with having well-endowed women being thrust at me from the pages of a comic book.

 

They're producing it because people are buying it, so it's more an indictment of the consumer. I said this many years ago on here but I think some people buy these books and ogle cosplayers at cons because it's an 'innocent' and under the radar way of getting their soft porn fix.

 

I completely agree with this - although in the case of the more risque GFT covers, I'm not sure how under the radar it is...

[Ryan.]

It's escapism from the tragic dreariness and sameness of our everyday lives. The oversexualized stuff acts as unattainable fantasy. The interest in violence serves as a way of promoting awareness of danger. Surely there's a real reason behind why sex and violence is interesting to humans beyond us being "pathetic" or "sad".

[Balham's Finest]

It's escapism from the tragic dreariness and sameness of our everyday lives. The oversexualized stuff acts as unattainable fantasy. The interest in violence serves as a way of promoting awareness of danger. Surely there's a real reason behind why sex and violence is interesting to humans beyond us being "pathetic" or "sad".

 

Yes, but are comic books really the place for unattainable sexual fantasies? Isn't that what porn is for (and I include softcore, hardcore, men's magazines, the SI swimsuit special and everything inbetween in that)? I was under the impression that comics were supposed to be about great stories and art.

 

It's not ALL pathetic or sad - but I have to confess I'm totally nonplussed by the GFT stuff. I've never heard anyone talk about the stories and a lot of the covers are frankly ridiculous.

[comix4fun]

So, dragon_ball_shane is now WHIZ_BANG_POW?

 

Brrrrrrr...

 

 

At least it's not WHIZ_BANG_POW_IS_AWESOME

[HarveySwick]

So, dragon_ball_shane is now WHIZ_BANG_POW?

 

Brrrrrrr...

 

 

At least it's not WHIZ_BANG_POW_IS_AWESOME

[Ryan.]

It's escapism from the tragic dreariness and sameness of our everyday lives. The oversexualized stuff acts as unattainable fantasy. The interest in violence serves as a way of promoting awareness of danger. Surely there's a real reason behind why sex and violence is interesting to humans beyond us being "pathetic" or "sad".

 

Yes, but are comic books really the place for unattainable sexual fantasies? Isn't that what porn is for (and I include softcore, hardcore, men's magazines, the SI swimsuit special and everything inbetween in that)? I was under the impression that comics were supposed to be about great stories and art.

 

It's not ALL pathetic or sad - but I have to confess I'm totally nonplussed by the GFT stuff. I've never heard anyone talk about the stories and a lot of the covers are frankly ridiculous.

 

Sex Criminals contains hardcore and softcore porn, a completely unattainable sexual fantasy, and a great story and art. Now what?

 

For what it's worth, the most provocative cover I own is probably Rifleman 10. The Zenescope stuff does nothing for me but if people like it they aren't sad. Maybe they just like it.

[Balham's Finest]

It's escapism from the tragic dreariness and sameness of our everyday lives. The oversexualized stuff acts as unattainable fantasy. The interest in violence serves as a way of promoting awareness of danger. Surely there's a real reason behind why sex and violence is interesting to humans beyond us being "pathetic" or "sad".

 

Yes, but are comic books really the place for unattainable sexual fantasies? Isn't that what porn is for (and I include softcore, hardcore, men's magazines, the SI swimsuit special and everything inbetween in that)? I was under the impression that comics were supposed to be about great stories and art.

 

It's not ALL pathetic or sad - but I have to confess I'm totally nonplussed by the GFT stuff. I've never heard anyone talk about the stories and a lot of the covers are frankly ridiculous.

 

Sex Criminals contains hardcore and softcore porn, a completely unattainable sexual fantasy, and a great story and art. Now what?

 

For what it's worth, the most provocative cover I own is probably Rifleman 10. The Zenescope stuff does nothing for me but if people like it they aren't sad. Maybe they just like it.

 

That is a book specifically about sex. We are talking about the pervasiveness of female imagery throughout the industry as a whole.

 

I didn't say people were sad if they like Zenescope books. My only point is that comics should - in my opinion - be focussed on story and art rather than tits and .