marktom Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I'm a bit surprised that with the recent "misunderstanding" involving the Conan #1 story, that Comiclink doesn't make note of what looks to be a stat of Spider-man in the first panel of the McFarlane ASM #308 page. Instead of describing the latest Spider-man movie in the description, it seems it would be better to devote a few words to the condition of the page. --Mark T. Twanj and ESeffinga 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khazano Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, marktom said: I'm a bit surprised that with the recent "misunderstanding" involving the Conan #1 story, that Comiclink doesn't make note of what looks to be a stat of Spider-man in the first panel of the McFarlane ASM #308 page. Instead of describing the latest Spider-man movie in the description, it seems it would be better to devote a few words to the condition of the page. --Mark T. Wow. Good eye! Yeah it's minor. But it's a pricey page, and all things considered, now would be the time to be extra diligent about these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twanj Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Khazano said: Wow. Good eye! Yeah it's minor. But it's a pricey page, and all things considered, now would be the time to be extra diligent about these things. What Heritage does should be the standard. The condition of the art should be disclosed. Full stop. It isn’t that hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktom Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, Twanj said: 13 minutes ago, Khazano said: Wow. Good eye! Yeah it's minor. But it's a pricey page, and all things considered, now would be the time to be extra diligent about these things. What Heritage does should be the standard. The condition of the art should be disclosed. Full stop. It isn’t that hard. I realize that most condition issues are pretty clear from a picture. But a stat (and I'm assuming it's a photo stat and not an original art paste over) of the main character? That does effect value, and should be disclosed. --Mark T. Twanj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panelfan1 Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 11 minutes ago, marktom said: I realize that most condition issues are pretty clear from a picture. But a stat (and I'm assuming it's a photo stat and not an original art paste over) of the main character? That does effect value, and should be disclosed. --Mark T. The fact that you can see it means most of us can see it. If I were bidding on this one I would have already emailed to comfirm. Recently there was a piece at HA that may have been fake - but it sold anyway for a nice sum. I think as collectors we cant put 100% trust in the auction company. We need to pay attention to the details and ask questions where there are doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktom Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 34 minutes ago, Panelfan1 said: The fact that you can see it means most of us can see it. If I were bidding on this one I would have already emailed to comfirm. Recently there was a piece at HA that may have been fake - but it sold anyway for a nice sum. I think as collectors we cant put 100% trust in the auction company. We need to pay attention to the details and ask questions where there are doubts. Yeah, I can see it. I've been collecting long enough to tell it's most certainly a stat. But maybe not everyone can. With a $10,000+ piece ,wouldn't you think the auction house could at least make note of it in their description and not expect every potential bidder to have to contact them to ask about it? --Mark T Twanj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquareChaos Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 Good call out. It does look pretty clear, but it is surprising to me that it isn't mentioned in the description. Twanj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comix4fun Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 18 minutes ago, SquareChaos said: Good call out. It does look pretty clear, but it is surprising to me that it isn't mentioned in the description. It would be good to know what that is, for sure. In looking at the page in total though, I doubt whatever it is will matter in the least in the closing price....whatever that is. People are spending ALL their money on the bottom panel and might not ever look at the top panel as long as they own it. Khazano and Twanj 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadeGiant Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I would have hoped that the recent fiasco regarding the back side of artwork would have pushed CL toward a more diligent approach to listing artwork (note – I see both sides of that debate and don’t put CL as solely responsible on how things went/are going down). I don’t buy the “it should be obvious” approach that some collectors seem to abide by as an excuse for this stuff not being prominently listed. If it is obvious to a collector looking at a scan, it should be obvious enough to the people holding the art in hand and listing for sale. This begs the question: so why not add it into the description? I can’t see any reason not to provide this information. Is it a conscious decision to avoid having a potential buyer bidding less or lose interest completely? I’d hope not. SquareChaos and vodou 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquareChaos Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, JadeGiant said: I would have hoped that the recent fiasco regarding the back side of artwork would have pushed CL toward a more diligent approach to listing artwork (note – I see both sides of that debate and don’t put CL as solely responsible on how things went/are going down). I don’t buy the “it should be obvious” approach that some collectors seem to abide by as an excuse for this stuff not being prominently listed. If it is obvious to a collector looking at a scan, it should be obvious enough to the people holding the art in hand and listing for sale. This begs the question: so why not add it into the description? I can’t see any reason not to provide this information. Is it a conscious decision to avoid having a potential buyer bidding less or lose interest completely? I’d hope not. I wonder if there is some element of legal protection associated with this ongoing BWS story... if they start listing items with full condition descriptions while that case is up in the air, could it perhaps be held against them as proof that it was something they should have always been doing? I'm obviously no lawyer. What a mess that has turned out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjonahjameson11 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, SquareChaos said: I wonder if there is some element of legal protection associated with this ongoing BWS story... if they start listing items with full condition descriptions while that case is up in the air, could it perhaps be held against them as proof that it was something they should have always been doing? I'm obviously no lawyer. What a mess that has turned out to be. I think there's an entire thread on this topic. Must we re-visit it here, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquareChaos Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 minute ago, jjonahjameson11 said: I think there's an entire thread on this topic. Must we re-visit it here, too? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjonahjameson11 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 19 minutes ago, SquareChaos said: Yes. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquareChaos Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, jjonahjameson11 said: Why? It is contextually relevant to the ASM page. If no others are interested in talking more about it, then the focus will naturally shift to something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjonahjameson11 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 *YAWN* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JadeGiant Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 I found it relevant to the page as well. I'd love to hear CL's take on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panelfan1 Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) Personally just looking forward to this weeks auction. If you are worried - my collection thanks you in advance for not bidding. Edited November 27, 2017 by Panelfan1 Greenlake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romitaman Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 i never knew about the STAT on this mcfarlane page until I saw it here on this thread, and i'm glad Mark brought that up...it actually looks like the image is drawn UNDER THE STAT but whited out and the REVERSE IMAGE STAT placed over top of it...but still..it really SHOULD be denoted and it's a great catch by mark on this one. marktom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjonahjameson11 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 As nice as the McSpidey is, there's a lot of other nice Spidey stuff that deserves attention in this auction, such as the following items: Bagley ASM 371 p10 featuring Spidey and the Black Cat http://comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FALLSUB.ASP%3FFocused%3D1%26id%3D1398%26Artist%3DMARK%20BAGLEY%23Item_1213736&id=1213736&itemType=1#detail Bagley AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #383 PAGE 30 SPLASH http://comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FALLSUB.ASP%3FFocused%3D1%26id%3D1398%26Artist%3DMARK%20BAGLEY%23Item_1213737&id=1213737&itemType=1 Bagley SPIDER-MAN 3: THE BLACK PAGE 10 VENOM SPLASH http://comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FALLSUB.ASP%3FFocused%3D1%26id%3D1398%26Artist%3DMARK%20BAGLEY%23Item_1209360&id=1209360&itemType=1 Buckler SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN #119 COVER with Sabretooth. very memorable! http://comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FALLSUB.ASP%3FFocused%3D1%26id%3D1398%26Artist%3DRICH%20BUCKLER%23Item_1213165&id=1213165&itemType=1 Dodson SPIDER-MAN / BLACK CAT #1 PAGE 23 SPLASH http://comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FALLSUB.ASP%3FFocused%3D1%26id%3D1398%26Artist%3DTERRY%20DODSON%23Item_1213750&id=1213750&itemType=1 McNiven CIVIL WAR #5 WRAP-AROUND COVER featuring Spidery, Green Goblin and Venom! http://comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FALLSUB.ASP%3FFocused%3D1%26id%3D1398%26Artist%3DSTEVE%20MCNIVEN%23Item_1211014&id=1211014&itemType=1 Miller ASM Annual 15 page 20 with Spidey, Doc Ock and the Punisher http://comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FALLSUB.ASP%3FFocused%3D1%26id%3D1398%26Artist%3DFRANK%20MILLER%23Item_1215885&id=1215885&itemType=1 Pollard ASM #203 with Spidey and 2nd appearance of Dazzler http://comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FALLSUB.ASP%3FFocused%3D1%26id%3D1398%26Artist%3DKEITH%20POLLARD%23Item_1209354&id=1209354&itemType=1 Rogers Marvel Tales #250 cover featuring Spidey and the FF http://comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?back=%2FAUCTIONS%2FALLSUB.ASP%3FFocused%3D1%26id%3D1398%26Artist%3DMARSHALL%20ROGERS%23Item_1208828&id=1208828&itemType=1 ...and more. Just don't have time to list them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamhlawson Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 19 hours ago, comix4fun said: It would be good to know what that is, for sure. In looking at the page in total though, I doubt whatever it is will matter in the least in the closing price....whatever that is. People are spending ALL their money on the bottom panel and might not ever look at the top panel as long as they own it. Wait...there's a top panel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...