valiantman Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 17 hours ago, Bosco685 said: You know, if you go by the Rotten Tomatoes user 'positive' supposed standard of a 3.5/5 (70%), then that means on a ten-point scale a 'positive' needs to be a 7.0/10 cutoff. Now THAT I could see as reality. And it very much matches the satisfactions statements. Good point calling this out, @valiantman Using only 7 to 10 supports the idea that there's a "neutral" area as well, from 4 to 6, so we'd have 3 groups "Liked It", "It was OK", "Didn't Like It", putting the percentage of people "Liked It" at 65.3%, "It Was OK" at 24.7%, and "Didn't Like It" at 10%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paperheart Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 this is the weekend ROS inches past $500MM US on its way to $510MM, only $110MM less than TLJ - that's a lot of gibronis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, valiantman said: Using only 7 to 10 supports the idea that there's a "neutral" area as well, from 4 to 6, so we'd have 3 groups "Liked It", "It was OK", "Didn't Like It", putting the percentage of people "Liked It" at 65.3%, "It Was OK" at 24.7%, and "Didn't Like It" at 10%. Not by the binary approach of Like-Dislike. I had never seen that RT audience standard it is 3.5/5 in order to be considered Positive. Yet critics feeding results into RT as an aggregator can have a 2.0/5 or 2.5/5 as a positive, AND allowed to toggle whether they consider any score they submit as Like or Dislike. I contacted one of the Joker critics that gave the film first a Positive with a 3.0/5 and then flipped it back to a Negative afterwards. She shared RT allows critics to do this. There is no critic standard as an aggregator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 On 1/23/2020 at 9:28 AM, Bosco685 said: And that is okay, as you should enjoy what you like. But market data manipulation is a dirty play. Just because statistics may be a form of witchcraft for some to detect these things, no need to dismiss it. Especially when it is clear from larger user aggregation 86% is not the norm. Like by 131, 763 users rating it 7.0 or less. Funny. When I look at that chart, I see that more than 44% of participants rated the film as an 8 or higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, Gatsby77 said: Funny. When I look at that chart, I see that more than 44% of participants rated the film as an 8 or higher. And funnier - I notice more than 55% rated it 7.0 or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 hours ago, valiantman said: Using only 7 to 10 supports the idea that there's a "neutral" area as well, from 4 to 6, so we'd have 3 groups "Liked It", "It was OK", "Didn't Like It", putting the percentage of people "Liked It" at 65.3%, "It Was OK" at 24.7%, and "Didn't Like It" at 10%. To be fair, though, binary in a ten-point scale is too much of a variance either way. I agree on a Like, Dissatisfied and Disliked scale. And this seems to mirror more of what we see out there. Yes, there is a portion that really disliked what Lucasfilms did (14.18%) with this run. But many have mixed emotions (55.68%) and then there are those that liked it or loved it (44.32%). The data doesn't lie when it comes to that scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, Bosco685 said: To be fair, though, binary in a ten-point scale is too much of a variance either way. I agree on a Like, Dissatisfied and Disliked scale. And this seems to mirror more of what we see out there. Yes, there is a portion that really disliked what Lucasfilms did (14.18%) with this run. But many have mixed emotions (55.68%) and then there are those that liked it or loved it (44.32%). The data doesn't lie when it comes to that scale. I understand what you did (including the 14.18% in the 55.68%), but anyone (else) looking at this chart will see it adds up to 114.18%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, valiantman said: I understand what you did (including the 14.18% in the 55.68%), but anyone (else) looking at this chart will see it adds up to 114.18%. Hey, Star Wars fan give 114% at any given time. Truth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Just because the numbers are coming down quickly, that doesn't mean many disliked the film. That's just money. Disney isn't in this for the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattn792 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Even with ROS being the worst of the 9 episodes, I never would’ve guessed it would fail to out earn Rogue One. Bosco685 and media_junkie 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattn792 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 8:57 PM, @therealsilvermane said: See if your friend’s brother-in-law’s sister can also do the one thing that can truly save Star Wars: put the original Sy Snootles musical scene back in Return of the Jedi. The Lucas'd ROTJ happens to be on TNT right now. The "new" musical number is even worse than I remembered. Like Rise of Skywalker level worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 On 1/24/2020 at 3:48 PM, Bosco685 said: Hey, Star Wars fan give 114% at any given time. Truth! Wow! A lot of users showed up in only two days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@therealsilvermane Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 9 hours ago, mattn792 said: The Lucas'd ROTJ happens to be on TNT right now. The "new" musical number is even worse than I remembered. Like Rise of Skywalker level worse. Rise of Skywalker didn't have bad lounge music with bad CGI alien muppets showing us their tonsils. THIS is what ruined Star Wars (and also Han firing first and having that chat with Jabba outside the canteena in New Hope Special Edition) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattn792 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 28 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said: Rise of Skywalker didn't have bad lounge music with bad CGI alien muppets showing us their tonsils. THIS is what ruined Star Wars (and also Han firing first and having that chat with Jabba outside the canteena in New Hope Special Edition) Indeed, it’s like Jim Henson threw up on the screen. (and overall ROS suckage is on par with that scene) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, mattn792 said: Indeed, it’s like Jim Henson threw up on the screen. (and overall ROS suckage is on par with that scene) Oddly enough, one of my kids wanted to watch Return of the Jedi for the first time ever last night, and have me watch it with him. When we got to that scene, I cringed. He laughed, and thought it was funny versus integral to the story. Like it was comedy relief to the tension of the situation. mattn792 and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@therealsilvermane Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Bosco685 said: Oddly enough, one of my kids wanted to watch Return of the Jedi for the first time ever last night, and have me watch it with him. When we got to that scene, I cringed. He laughed, and thought it was funny versus integral to the story. Like it was comedy relief to the tension of the situation. It might also be funny to young kids if Yoda had...oh never mind. Younglings also love Phantom Menace, I think. Let the kids have Phantom Menace and Star Wars cartoons (which don't even have anything as silly as the new Sy Snootles music scene). Restore the Original Trilogy to at least 50% pre-Special Edition and put the restored 4K versions on Disney+. That will be the greatest service Disney can do for Star Wars fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, @therealsilvermane said: It might also be funny to young kids if Yoda had...oh never mind. Younglings also love Phantom Menace, I think. Let the kids have Phantom Menace and Star Wars cartoons (which don't even have anything as silly as the new Sy Snootles music scene). Restore the Original Trilogy to at least 50% pre-Special Edition and put the restored 4K versions on Disney+. That will be the greatest service Disney can do for Star Wars fans. Kathleen Kennedy has noted in interviews she had no plans to revisit George Lucas's edits as they didn't want to upset him and have public statements they were dismissing his vision for the characters and stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco685 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 ROS is now -17% day-to-day compared to The Last Jedi, domestically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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media_junkie Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Bosco685 said: That was better than TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
