Sqeggs Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 So ... I had some Company X books that I thought I would send in to CGC to see what's what, who's who, and where's where. The grades for the first group just posted. Here are the results Action 58 Company X grade: 7.0 OW-W CGC grade: 6.5 C-1 OW Action 111 Company X: 7.5 OW CGC: 7.0 OW Adventure Comics 43 Company X: 8.0 CR-OW CGC: 7.0 CR-OW Captain Marvel, Jr. 27 Company X: 9.2 OW-W CGC: 9.0 OW Funny Picture Stories 7 Company X: 5.5 OW-W CGC: 5.0 OW-W It's still early in the season, but 0 for 5 ain't good. telerites, 1950's war comics and archiefan 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) Shocked ! Especially enjoy the Action 58 Edited May 1, 2018 by Gotham Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 Yeah, that one was fun ... not! If this thread survives, I'll post the other grade comparisons as they become available. I have to admit that I was surprised that not even one of these five books managed to hold its grade. At least only two of five got a worse pq! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjMartini Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I am actually not surprised by these conversions. I feel like CGC has harder grading standards than any other company. I'm not a betting man but I would bet that about 99% of the time the grade is going be the same or lower if you take a slab from company X to be regraded by CGC. My condolences on the lower grades. c0micbooknerdgirl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straw-Man Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 depends on when the x book was graded; i feel pretty comfortable in saying x has tightened-up lately. lizards2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finhead Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 minute ago, DjMartini said: I am actually not surprised by these conversions. I feel like CGC has harder grading standards than any other company. I'm not a betting man but I would bet that about 99% of the time the grade is going be the same or lower if you take a slab from company X to be regraded by CGC. My condolences on the lower grades. I think that reflects in the buying market as well. I see they all hold a lower value, like people realize there's at least a half a point to a point extra there. That purple had to hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dem1138 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Is X in the grading company's name or are you referring to Voldemort? With X I won't buy the book unless the owner subbed it and can guarantee that its unrestored. With Voldemort, it can depend, but I often expect a .5 downgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricksneatstuff Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 IF X is in the companies name you did AMAZING!!! My X experiences have been MUCH worse than your results. path4play, Badger, snitzer and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ricksneatstuff said: IF X is in the companies name you did AMAZING!!! My X experiences have been MUCH worse than your results. Nope. X is not in the company's name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 33 minutes ago, szavisca said: I wouldn't ever ask anyone the price of what they paid for a book, for the purpose of your comparison here it would be interesting to know if you can let us know if you still got a fair deal on these books assuming that you paid a lot less for the company X books to begin with. If you only paid 60-70% of the price of an equivalently graded Cgc copy you may still have made out well with these, the action 58 not withstanding. It varied. I know I bought the Cap Jr 27 shortly after Company X opened their doors. So, I'm pretty sure I paid the equivalent price for a CGC copy. I don't remember any of these being screaming bargains -- certainly not 30% to 40% less than a CGC copy. I'll have to check my files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 37 minutes ago, Straw-Man said: depends on when the x book was graded; i feel pretty comfortable in saying x has tightened-up lately. I'm pretty sure the Action 58 was graded within the past six months. I can check that, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Microbia Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Sqeggs said: So ... I had some Company X books that I thought I would send in to CGC to see what's what, who's who, and where's where. The grades for the first group just posted. Here are the results Action 58 Company X grade: 7.0 OW-W CGC grade: 6.5 C-1 OW Action 111 Company X: 7.5 OW CGC: 7.0 OW Adventure Comics 43 Company X: 8.0 CR-OW CGC: 7.0 CR-OW Captain Marvel, Jr. 27 Company X: 9.2 OW-W CGC: 9.0 OW Funny Picture Stories 7 Company X: 5.5 OW-W CGC: 5.0 OW-W It's still early in the season, but 0 for 5 ain't good. I guess all those “OW’s” are subconsciously synonymous with “ouches”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB1952 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) stop using CS company after complaining that St John books are miscut and not trimmed, they graded my st john book trimmed 6.0 cracked open send it to be pressed forward to cgc return universal 7.0 ps email- had small conversation with the boss forward images before and after, nothing was done???ignored. Bye Bye>>>CS company. multiple CS books now under fresh CGC case. Edited May 2, 2018 by kat123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Sqeggs said: Yeah, that one was fun ... not! If this thread survives, I'll post the other grade comparisons as they become available. I have to admit that I was surprised that not even one of these five books managed to hold its grade. At least only two of five got a worse pq! Is company X company X or you talking company XXX as company X ? snitzer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Love Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 2 hours ago, Sqeggs said: Yeah, that one was fun ... not! If this thread survives, I'll post the other grade comparisons as they become available. I have to admit that I was surprised that not even one of these five books managed to hold its grade. At least only two of five got a worse pq! Assuming that the books started off in X slabs and were cracked out and submitted, you were surprised because you agreed completely with X grades? and were looking for resto and still don't quite get where the C1 is coming from? Also, as regards PQ, I do think CGC has tightened up there as well, although OWW and OW are pretty interchangeable depending on day, time, and what was for lunch. c0micbooknerdgirl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacentaur Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I strongly prefer CGC's tighter (i.e., more accurate) grading than any other company's inflated grades. Most collectors are savvy enough by now to spot an over-graded book, making such an item more difficult to sell. For example, a dealer has a Company X book at 8.0. I examine the book and see it's more like a 7.0. Yet the dealer has it priced (whatever that may be) as if it was an 8.0. No sale. Give me CGC every time. batman_fan, Gotham Kid, Larryw7 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sqeggs Posted May 1, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 1, 2018 43 minutes ago, Dr. Love said: Assuming that the books started off in X slabs and were cracked out and submitted, you were surprised because you agreed completely with X grades? and were looking for resto and still don't quite get where the C1 is coming from? Also, as regards PQ, I do think CGC has tightened up there as well, although OWW and OW are pretty interchangeable depending on day, time, and what was for lunch. The least shocking thing to see on the boards? An insightful post from Dr. Love! I didn't crack them out -- I sent them still in the Company X slabs. I believe CGC when they say that graders only see the raw books and don't know the previous grade (if any) on either their slab (on a straight resubmit) or on another company's slab. Even if we put on our tinfoil hats, it's not clear which way knowing the previous company's grade would cut. Would it be, "Aha, let's knock the grade down to show we're really tight graders" or would it be, "If we knock down the grade we reduce the incentive for people to submit the other company's books"? I wasn't surprised that some of the grades were lower. I think I've posted before that my experience has been that typically CGC grades are lower than Company X's grades. In fact, I don't recall ever getting back a book with from CGC with a grade higher than the grade Company X gave it. But I have gotten back some books at the same grade. So, five out of five lower was surprising. The C1 is the dreaded "Restoration includes: small amount of glue on spine of cover." As we all know, this one is sometimes overlooked (by both companies) on GA books. So that may have been just a bad roll of the dice. I'm assuming I can probably get it scrapped off and get the book back in a blue label. On the pq, it's certainly subjective, but all five books coming back the same or lower is interesting. But again, small sample. Finally, there's the issue of which company is grading more accurately. Maybe it's not that Company X is too loose and CGC is accurate, but it's that Company X is accurate and CGC is too tight. Maybe Company X is coming closer to Overstreet grading or to what the consensus grading was in the hobby pre-CGC or to some other standard. I don't think any of that much matters because, for better or worse, CGC has become the industry standard. They account for the overwhelming number of graded books and their books are the only ones represented on GPA, which is our best source of pricing data. So, I guess the bottom line for me is that I think it's a problem for Company X that their grades are consistently lower than CGC's grades, irrespective of whether in some fundamental sense Company's X grades are more accurate. AJD, entalmighty1, Zolnerowich and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 19 minutes ago, sacentaur said: I strongly prefer CGC's tighter (i.e., more accurate) grading than any other company's inflated grades. Most collectors are savvy enough by now to spot an over-graded book, making such an item more difficult to sell. For example, a dealer has a Company X book at 8.0. I examine the book and see it's more like a 7.0. Yet the dealer has it priced (whatever that may be) as if it was an 8.0. No sale. Give me CGC every time. Me, too. My Company X books are primarily either ones I bought fresh out of the gate before I realized the overgrading problem or books like Adventure 43 or FPS 7 that are tough to find. The Action 58 was one of those, "I'll take a chance and hope for the best" purchases because it's a book that's really heated up and I had been outbid on the last few copies that came up for auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThothAmon Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 I wouldn't even consider using any company other than CGC. As far as the slight resto, that's no fun, but I'm fairly certain Sqeggs can make up for any loss with volume! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 For those not already tired of this little saga, here are the grader's notes for the Action 58. Apparently Company X doesn't include the date the book was graded in their notes. No mention in the notes of any glue. Notes: light wear to corners & edges, some breaks color small tear right front cover sun shadow top back cover 1/2" top spine split spine wear & stress, small tears at staple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...