Half cover of AF15 ripped off-just throw the piece away? 1 1

[kav]

Topic came up in grading contest thread.  I was told when I called CGC a while back that if a piece is ripped off, keeping it with the book does not change the grade, and taping it on would lower the grade.  So if half the cover of say AF15 is ripped off, just throw it away?  Was I told wrong?  New employee?  Does anyone have info on this?

Anyone had a large piece of cover unattached slabbed with book?  What did it look like?

Edit: my memory may be faulty-it could have been an email exchange.  I distinctly remember talking to someone but memory is tricky.

Edit2: I remember now he said the tape 'could' lower the grade, not 'would' lower the grade.

I admit the thread title is a bit click-baitish...

Edited June 13, 2018 by kav

[Larryw7]

I wouldn't care what they said, keep the ripped cover!

[kav]

2 minutes ago, Larryw7 said:

I wouldn't care what they said, keep the ripped cover!

I'm hoping we can get clarification on this as it's a pretty important issue.

[Larryw7]

But why would CGC advise someone to throw away part of a cover to an AF 15, ripped or not? And they say trimming is bad?

[kav]

6 minutes ago, Larryw7 said:

But why would CGC advise someone to throw away part of a cover to an AF 15, ripped or not? And they say trimming is bad?

No they did not advise me in any way that was just my conclusion.  And it was an Avengers 100 I was asking about-a severe corner crease had broken free.  I just postulated an AF15 to make an extreme example to clarify the rule.

Edited June 13, 2018 by kav

[VintageComics]

You can tape it on if you want.

From what I understand, they grade the book as though the tape was not present.

Voldy allows for archival tape to increase the grade as a way of not encourage poor tape repairs.

If you restore it and reattach it professionally the book would probably be valued at close to the grade it would receive pre attaching the piece but the cover would look nicer.

[kav]

2 minutes ago, VintageComics said:

From what I understand, they grade the book as though the tape was not present.

This would mean, if I understand correctly, that it would grade as if the piece was still loose, in other words, the same as if it were not there at all.

[VintageComics]

Just now, kav said:

This would mean, if I understand correctly, that it would grade as if the piece was still loose, in other words, the same as if it were not there at all.

That was my understanding with the rule change.

They did it to discourage people from using tape (which is harmful) to increase the grade of the book.

 

[kav]

Just now, VintageComics said:

That was my understanding with the rule change.

They did it to discourage people from using tape (which is harmful) to increase the grade of the book.

 

That makes sense.  But of course anyone would rather have a book with large piece taped back on than non existent, so the grade should reflect that by half a point right?  I mean, a book with a large piece taped on is in better condition than a book with a large piece missing.

[VintageComics]

6 hours ago, kav said:

That makes sense.  But of course anyone would rather have a book with large piece taped back on than non existent, so the grade should reflect that by half a point right?  I mean, a book with a large piece taped on is in better condition than a book with a large piece missing.

Actually, some people abhor tape and would rather have the piece loose than taped on, methinks.

[FineCollector]

I graded the Hulk a 1.0 as if it were a remainder copy (logo torn away), although thinking about it now, I think CGC goes 0.5 on those.  For a large piece like that, I can understand it making a difference.  If it were a small corner, especially if it starts moving around inside the slab?  That, I'm not sure of.

[FineCollector]

If you apply tape now and grade it, and grade it again in 10 years, you're going to see significant degredation of the book.  The appeal of the book would be improved by attaching the piece on the short term, but the technical grade should be the same.  If anything, I'd lessen the grade due to the tape, but that's not policy.

[Wipple]

i wish i didn't throw my piece away.

edit- typo and to add tape and piece missing since 1970's.

Edited June 13, 2018 by Wipple

[Bookery]

I'm unfamiliar with Spider-Ming Fantasy.  Was it some sort of cross-over with Flash Gordon?

[topcat54]

Well from what I read the graders are supposed to ignore the tape as of 2013. This is what CGC says about tape read below.

This is straight from CGC's mouth and I quote :

 

Currently, CGC’s stance on tape allows for its presence to fix a detached cover, a tear or to re-attach a piece of the comic. This would still allow the book to receive a Universal Label and even a possible grade increase from what the book would have been had tape not been present.

After consideration of the expressed views of the community and assessment of the practice, beginning with submissions postmarked after May 3, 2013, CGC will modify its grading standard and ignore the presence of tape if it serves a function (such as fixing a tear or spine split) and instead grade the book as if it was not present. Therefore, any existing defect will be graded accordingly. If the tape does not serve a function, the tape will be treated as a defect and the book will be downgraded. By doing this, books will still receive a Universal Label but the grade will better reflect the actual condition of the comic book.   end quote:

 

[Spyder!]

I don't think the fact that tape was used to re-attach the front cover made any difference on the grade for my copy. 

[thunsicker]

4 hours ago, Spyder! said:

I don't think the fact that tape was used to re-attach the front cover made any difference on the grade for my copy. 

 

I don't know.  That looks like a .5001 to me without the tape.

[kav]

so since tape does not down grade should you reattach covers with tape?

[Jimbo749]

13 minutes ago, kav said:

so since tape does not down grade should you reattach covers with tape?

Thats what I got out of it,  no downgrade if the tape is used for the sole purpose of reattachment, or other specific restorative function. Whereas a stray piece of tape from a bag/board on your cover will be downgraded.  

I use tape on my bags,  so I should be careful. 

[kav]

3 minutes ago, Jimbo749 said:

Thats what I got out of it,  no downgrade if the tape is used for the sole purpose of reattachment, or other specific restorative function. Whereas a stray piece of tape from a bag/board on your cover will be downgraded.  

I use tape on my bags,  so I should be careful. 

I am taping all my detached covers immediately!  If you can slip piece of tape under staple BANG.  Reattach.

Edited June 13, 2018 by kav
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