toro Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 The guy is just a real *Spoon* https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/11/17/bill-maher-comic-books-stan-lee-disrespect/ ComicConnoisseur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cosmic_surfer Posted November 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2018 Stan is a genuinely nice guy. Bill Maher should have read comic books as a youngster. Stan’s soapbox in 1980 ComicConnoisseur, Cushing Fan, Bomber-Bob and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Less Blob Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Maher has bemoaned the volume of comic book movies and, yes, in some sense they muscle other stuff off the movie screen. My wife cannot stand them either (other than wonder woman) and it isn't like she is not into GOT, WD, Supernatural, etc., just hates super heroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jcjames Posted November 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) I'm actually so surprised that Lord Bill took time out of his unceasingly important work that he does on his weekly TV show where he cures childhood cancer, ends world hunger, creates peace in the Mideast, halts international child-sex trafficking, ends extreme global poverty and inspires, uplifts and gives hope to the most downtrodden of our society (not to mention the work he does comforting the severely disabled and the terminally ill). Lord Bill, I must say that I thought your time was far too valuable to be spent commenting on the passing of a guy who was basically "just" an entertainer - who, by the way, merely inspired the imagination of generations of children who looked out over their small childhood surroundings and imagined themselves as being stronger than they appeared, who imagined themselves fighting against and prevailing against bad people, who imagined fantastical machines and powers they could use to overcome terrible threats, who visualized a world where good triumphs over evil and who saw a world where injustice and inequality weren't just used for snarky punchlines and self-promotion on TV but were portrayed as vehicles to introduce inspiring and diverse characters and heroes from all backgrounds who overcame injustice and inequality in our world. Agreed Lord Bill, you're correct in pointing out that this guy, Mr. Lee, was basically only inspiring generations of children with heroic stories filled with art, fantasy, science-fiction and heroic achievement - children who then grew up and flew to the moon and back, or who became law-enforcement officers, teachers, doctors, pilots, engineers, soldiers, architects, business-owners, entertainers, scientists, artists, and yes some even became professors - and I suppose they did all that despite their childhood "nonsense" imaginations. Now, I know that reruns of Lord Bill's work making smug comments to a few hand-chosen guests on a weekly TV show will, in 50, 60 or 70 years, become a multi-trillion-dollar industry unto itself which will continue to inspire both young and old alike far surpassing the cultural influence that any of Mr. Lee's inconsequential little funny-books have ever done. So here's to you Lord Bill, your ceaseless and oh-so-important work you do every day will live on for days, maybe even weeks. But to truly cement your well-earned place as an icon of worldwide cultural influence - where the Make-A-Wish foundation arranges for people to come to dying children's beside dressed like you and deliver some of your most memorable snarky one-liners - I do believe you will need to become a slightly more well-known name around the world, at least more well-known around the world than, say, Ant-Man is. Cheers! Edited November 17, 2018 by jcjames chrisco37, SpideyFein, SkOw and 21 others 23 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mattn792 Posted November 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2018 Bill Maher is a lot like the shingles virus -- you don't think about it, you probably forgot its there, but then it unexpectedly pops up to cause a brief period of painful annoyance. Steviehuv66, Top City Comics, kav and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThothAmon Posted November 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2018 When I saw the title of the Topic I wondered if finally Bill Maher and I agreed on something. When I read his comments I was relieved to know that we hadn’t. At least the guy’s consistent. Von Cichlid, Harley Troy, toro and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyTheAbyss Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 Eh. He's a TV shock jock...like all extreme right and left wing television. Say something controversial, get headlines, ratings go up. Good or bad, ratings are ratings. I read the title, didn't read the article. I already know its not worth my time to click on it. fastballspecial, Aweandlorder and WhatMeWorry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Readcomix Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 At least that'll be a funeral we can look forward to! Aweandlorder, Azkaban, Mystafo and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 what's worse someones honest opinion where we disagree or the hypocrisy of what we want to hear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Readcomix Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, jsilverjanet said: what's worse someones honest opinion where we disagree or the hypocrisy of what we want to hear? What's worse than both is making ignorant comments from the privilege of the bully pulpit, which is what Maher did. I have no problem with the "flamethrower for the left" shtick; both sides of the politicotainment industry have them. Sad that this journalism today, but that's a whole other ball o' wax. He kinda needlessly worked Stan and comics in there to take a jab at his favorite target. He was reaching, and his understanding of comics is lacking. I think that's the kernel of what annoyed the annoyed. Darkowl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 I really don't see what's so offensive to cause this type of reaction. He said something we disagree with, he insulted comics and people who read them. People in many positions constantly do that in this day and age. "Lord Bill"? Ignore him and move on. Better things to focus on expend energy My gripe is we are going to hold people like Bill Maher accountable (a comedian on TV mind you) then let's hold um people in more important positions more accountable when they say ignorant things. But we don't do we. GreatCaesarsGhost, Brock, Transplant and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, jsilverjanet said: My gripe is we are going to hold people like Bill Maher accountable (a comedian on TV mind you) then let's hold um people in more important positions more accountable when they say ignorant things. But we don't do we. and if you are one of the few that do, then good for you. But I suspect many here don't. F For Fake, MGsimba77 and Readcomix 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post thehumantorch Posted November 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, jsilverjanet said: I really don't see what's so offensive to cause this type of reaction. He said something we disagree with, he insulted comics and people who read them. People in many positions constantly do that in this day and age. "Lord Bill"? Ignore him and move on. Better things to focus on expend energy My gripe is we are going to hold people like Bill Maher accountable (a comedian on TV mind you) then let's hold um people in more important positions more accountable when they say ignorant things. But we don't do we. Aside from disagreeing will Maher I also think his comments exhibit a clear lack of class. Attacking a man and his work after he dies is a tasteless and dirty move. PopKulture, Steviehuv66, lou_fine and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, thehumantorch said: Aside from disagreeing will Maher I also think his comments exhibit a clear lack of class. Attacking a man and his work after he dies is a tasteless and dirty move. From the article that was posted, if I missed more i apologize ""Deep, deep mourning for a man who inspired millions to, I don’t know, watch a movie, I guess" it's ignorant I agree but tasteles and dirty? I don't see it. Maybe I'm being insensitive. If I am I'm sorry. I feel bad for his passing and I appreciate his contribution to comics. In fact many before his passing here felt differently about Stan (see Kirby). However some people (not here) tend to overreact in general when a celebrity passes. I can't imagine feeling a deep feeling of loss for someone I didn't know personally. Again I appreciate his contributions and his impact on something I love but I also feel he lived a good life, a long life and don't necessarily feel the despair that I believe Bill was commenting on. I can't tell someone how to mourn or how much to mourn but I find it a little surprising how people react to these types of things (people who overreact). Edited November 18, 2018 by jsilverjanet Antpark and Readcomix 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lazyboy Posted November 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2018 1 minute ago, thehumantorch said: Aside from disagreeing will Maher I also think his comments exhibit a clear lack of class. Attacking a man and his work after he dies is a tasteless and dirty move. Except that it is based on the overreaction (from his perspective) to Stan's death, so not really. He also didn't really write anything specifically about Stan or his work. That said, any valid points he made in the blog post are overshadowed by the complete ignorance about how comics have changed since he was a kid. jsilverjanet, Antpark, MGsimba77 and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 1 minute ago, jsilverjanet said: From the article that was posted, if I missed more i apologize ""Deep, deep mourning for a man who inspired millions to, I don’t know, watch a movie, I guess" it's ignorant I agree Ignorant and I'd suggest cowardly, attack a man who recently died and can't defend himself. And I find it ironic that this is coming from a man who's spent his life entertaining people through comedy and TV broadcasting, both essentially entertainment and arguably a similar wasteland to comics. I recently read a book about the first comic convention, NYC 1964, and of the sixty some attendees the vast, vast majority ended up graduating from college and having successful careers as dentists, lawyer, doctors, etc. There's no proof I've ever seen that comics harm readers, affect their maturity, or lead to any kind of development issues. I'd argue instead that most comic readers belong to nerd culture and are more likely to read many other forms of literature and are more likely to have higher IQs and have successful careers. Larryw7 and Azkaban 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsilverjanet Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, thehumantorch said: Ignorant and I'd suggest cowardly, attack a man who recently died and can't defend himself. And I find it ironic that this is coming from a man who's spent his life entertaining people through comedy and TV broadcasting, both essentially entertainment and arguably a similar wasteland to comics. I recently read a book about the first comic convention, NYC 1964, and of the sixty some attendees the vast, vast majority ended up graduating from college and having successful careers as dentists, lawyer, doctors, etc. There's no proof I've ever seen that comics harm readers, affect their maturity, or lead to any kind of development issues. I'd argue instead that most comic readers belong to nerd culture and are more likely to read many other forms of literature and are more likely to have higher IQs and have successful careers. I agree about the social impact. I really think that many of the things that I do that somewhat resemble something heroic come from reading Spider-man at a young age and then discovering (at a young age) that my name (Hector) means Heroic. Those two had a profound impact on how I would react in certain situations. I wonder if I would be more moody had I read Batman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehumantorch Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, jsilverjanet said: I agree about the social impact. I really think that many of the things that I do that somewhat resemble something heroic come from reading Spider-man at a young age and then discovering (at a young age) that my name (Hector) means Heroic. Those two had a profound impact on how I would react in certain situations. I wonder if I would be more moody had I read Batman? Didn't realize Hector meant heroic, how cool. My last name means 'keeper of the royal cows' , beat that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGsimba77 Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, thehumantorch said: Ignorant and I'd suggest cowardly, attack a man who recently died and can't defend himself. And I find it ironic that this is coming from a man who's spent his life entertaining people through comedy and TV broadcasting, both essentially entertainment and arguably a similar wasteland to comics. I recently read a book about the first comic convention, NYC 1964, and of the sixty some attendees the vast, vast majority ended up graduating from college and having successful careers as dentists, lawyer, doctors, etc. There's no proof I've ever seen that comics harm readers, affect their maturity, or lead to any kind of development issues. I'd argue instead that most comic readers belong to nerd culture and are more likely to read many other forms of literature and are more likely to have higher IQs and have successful careers. Bill is not unlike many others who just have a shallow dismissive view of comics. I think they confuse them with cartoons or traditional newspaper comic strips. They might change their tune if just bothered to give these stories & characters a chance Azkaban 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...