Ozonetv Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Can anyone tell me how something like this effects a grade...is it a missing piece...or a massive color break? Its tricky because there is no paper missing...but the top layer is stripped off. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 This would be considered "Marvel Chipping", and neither a missing piece nor color break, right..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashlites Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) Marvel 'chipping' as its been explained to me was caused by dull paper cutters during the triming of the comics in the production process. This photo does not look like that to me. It looks like it may be damage from tape, if all the color is pulled off the cover. Are there old peices of tape on that book? Amateur tape repairs can bring the grade of a comic 1 full point or more, depending on the extent. If what's shown in the photo is the only major damage, I'd say it would impact the grade between 0.5 and 1.0 point. Edited January 18, 2019 by flashlites Addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayor006 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Looks like a tape pull. May have simply caught the tape that was on the bag it was housed in. I'm asking a similar question (although to an extreme) on the Iron Man 1 I put up for review here last night. Mystafo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 It's a serious flaw and it does look like a tape pull. Tough to grade without seeing the rest of the book...looks like an FF #48, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozonetv Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, The Lions Den said: It's a serious flaw and it does look like a tape pull. Tough to grade without seeing the rest of the book...looks like an FF #48, correct? heres the full pic- it looks to me like there was another book on top of it and took off a piece - not tape. Theres no other tape on the book I'd guess its in the 3.0 range otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashlites Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) I think you're in the ballpark with a 3. So with that defect i'd grade it at about 2.0. Cool book to have in any condition though. Thanks for sharing!! Edited January 18, 2019 by flashlites Edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Ozonetv said: heres the full pic- it looks to me like there was another book on top of it and took off a piece - not tape. Theres no other tape on the book I'd guess its in the 3.0 range otherwise. This is defintely a pull or peel of some sort. It does not have the appearance of tape as it's too jagged. It also does not look vintage, the exposed paper looks fresh, white. I've seen this look before. Any chance you tried to press this book or perhaps the previous owner pressed it ? By looking at the spine it looks flat, almost crushed. If there was any kind of surface residue, a press may have grabbed onto it and pulled off the paper. Sorry but this book looks bad. The tape pull is in your face. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Still, a nice lower grade copy. Good luck with whatever you decide to do... Ozonetv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozonetv Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Bomber-Bob said: This is defintely a pull or peel of some sort. It does not have the appearance of tape as it's too jagged. It also does not look vintage, the exposed paper looks fresh, white. I've seen this look before. Any chance you tried to press this book or perhaps the previous owner pressed it ? By looking at the spine it looks flat, almost crushed. If there was any kind of surface residue, a press may have grabbed onto it and pulled off the paper. Sorry but this book looks bad. The tape pull is in your face. it was just cleaned and pressed, and there was some more paper that was in that area that was cleaned off (the code was all but invisible)...it must have been part of the book on top that took off the the paper on this book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahsoka Tano Jedi Apprentice Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 so it's a tape pull or a book peel or a press rip........i wonder what the back looks like..... kind of hard to grade without seeing the back......i'm going with the press rip.............2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozonetv Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, Ahsoka Tano Jedi Apprentice said: so it's a tape pull or a book peel or a press rip........i wonder what the back looks like..... kind of hard to grade without seeing the back......i'm going with the press rip.............2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ozonetv said: From the looks of that stain in the upper right, I wonder if your guy used a solvent to peel away the paper off of the code on the FC ? I can now see rusty staples with bleed, migration. Otherwise, the Back Cover is pretty clean. This is very difficult to grade. I would certainly not grade it higher than 3.0 . The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Well Bob, as usual, I like your style. I was thinking the same thing... Bomber-Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozonetv Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) x Edited January 18, 2019 by Ozonetv duplicate Bomber-Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozonetv Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bomber-Bob said: From the looks of that stain in the upper right, I wonder if your guy used a solvent to peel away the paper off of the code on the FC ? I can now see rusty staples with bleed, migration. Otherwise, the Back Cover is pretty clean. This is very difficult to grade. I would certainly not grade it higher than 3.0 . Hey Bob- appreciate the feedback. I bought it uncleaned or pressed - the water stain was on the back already (as were stains on almost all the books he had from storing in his basement for many years). It was about $250, so I took a flier on it to see how it would clean up...thought it was worth the risk, knowing I wouldnt get a 9.8 out of it. Heres a couple other books I picked up - note the back stains...consisent if nothing else. These havent been cleaned yet. Edited January 18, 2019 by Ozonetv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ozonetv said: Hey Bob- appreciate the feedback. I bought it uncleaned or pressed - the water stain was on the back already (as were stains on almost all the books he had from storing in his basement for many years). It was about $250, so I took a flier on it to see how it would clean up...thought it was worth the risk, knowing I wouldnt get a 9.8 out of it. Heres a couple other books I picked up - note the back stains...consisent if nothing else. These havent been cleaned yet. Yes, it looks like they all got hit in the same area. These #49's should grade much higher than the #48. flashlites 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozonetv Posted January 18, 2019 Author Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Bomber-Bob said: Yes, it looks like they all got hit in the same area. These #49's should grade much higher than the #48. Definitely- I picked up a FF52 as well...same grade as above. the 48 was the big risk...but I've heard that with big risks come big rewards. or something like that. Edited January 18, 2019 by Ozonetv flashlites 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber-Bob Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 34 minutes ago, Ozonetv said: Definitely- I picked up a FF52 as well...same grade as above. the 48 was the big risk...but I've heard that with big risks come big rewards. or something like that. The #52, a personal favorite, looks a little rougher than the 49's. More staining on the BC and a large corner crease, bottom right on the FC. I would say it is, grade wise, somewhere between the #48 and #49's. How is the page quality on all these books ? Sometimes, when stored in a basement, the pages stay nicer as they like the humidity. Unfortunately, the staples do not like the humidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahsoka Tano Jedi Apprentice Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 sometimes basements can be dark and damp and can sometimes flood.....................CGC is extremely harsh when it comes to stains. Bomber-Bob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...