kav Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 During the silver age people didnt hate silver age books-during the bronze age people didnt hate bronze age books during the copper age people didnt hate copper age books-now we're in the modern age and people generally find them despicable. Sure there are exceptions but what's the reason for the general distaste? Is this the only age where books have been generally despised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Aldred Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I don’t think it’s fair to be quite so harsh, Kav. You can find some good modern books, and I don’t really believe we’re in a creative Dark Age. I’m currently reading 60s Flash comics, but next week it could just as easily be something written by Tom King or Donny Cates. ComicConnoisseur, kav and Get Marwood & I 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ken Aldred said: I don’t think it’s fair to be quite so harsh, Kav. You can find some good modern books, and I don’t really believe we’re in a creative Dark Age. I’m currently reading 60s Flash comics, but next week it could just as easily be something written by Tom King or Donny Cates. why do a lot of people scold modern books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilskip Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 i think a lot of us complained in the 90's with the endless crossovers, events that changed nothing, the art being really wonky, 80 variants for damn near every issue.... The above still applies today. D84, SkOw, kav and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababooey Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, kav said: why do a lot of people scold modern books? Please provide 783 links to prove this statement to be true. Lazyboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 1 minute ago, bababooey said: Please provide 783 links to prove this statement to be true. Oh god I just had to do that to prove ebay doesnt seem to care about thrill bidders- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Artboy99 Posted February 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2019 I can think of a few reasons. 1. Paper stock. I just read Marvel's latest release of Conan the Barbarian and the cover stock felt flimsy and cheap and I felt the comic would fall apart at any moment. 2. Changes of characters to satisfy social justice warriors. Keep characters the same, I don't want to see a popular character in a new version. Invent a new character instead of ruining the old guard thanks. 1. Number 1! Number 1. New all new #1. Etc. 4. Variant of the variant of the variant. I go to a comic store and see a book on the shelf and I have no idea if I own it or not because there are so many covers to the same book. 5. Superman, Supergirl, Superdog, Supergrandma, SuperTransvestite. Why cant we have originality! wolverine180, bc, Skylath and 20 others 20 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Artboy99 said: I can think of a few reasons. 1. Paper stock. I just read Marvel's latest release of Conan the Barbarian and the cover stock felt flimsy and cheap and I felt the comic would fall apart at any moment. 2. Changes of characters to satisfy social justice warriors. Keep characters the same, I don't want to see a popular character in a new version. Invent a new character instead of ruining the old guard thanks. 1. Number 1! Number 1. New all new #1. Etc. 4. Variant of the variant of the variant. I go to a comic store and see a book on the shelf and I have no idea if I own it or not because there are so many covers to the same book. 5. Superman, Supergirl, Superdog, Supergrandma, SuperTransvestite. Why cant we have originality! This needs to be one of the options over there on the like button ----> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted February 2, 2019 Author Share Posted February 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Artboy99 said: I can think of a few reasons. 1. Paper stock. I just read Marvel's latest release of Conan the Barbarian and the cover stock felt flimsy and cheap and I felt the comic would fall apart at any moment. 2. Changes of characters to satisfy social justice warriors. Keep characters the same, I don't want to see a popular character in a new version. Invent a new character instead of ruining the old guard thanks. 1. Number 1! Number 1. New all new #1. Etc. 4. Variant of the variant of the variant. I go to a comic store and see a book on the shelf and I have no idea if I own it or not because there are so many covers to the same book. 5. Superman, Supergirl, Superdog, Supergrandma, SuperTransvestite. Why cant we have originality! I think you summed it up nicely. I really hate slick paper for comics-the glare makes it hard to read no matter how you try to hold it in the light. Bring newsprint back PLS!! And stories designed for kids. The adult themed stories are inevitably stupid AF. Some exceptions sure. But dialogue learned from watching TV dramas and sitcoms-UGH mec3437, catman76, D84 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, Artboy99 said: I can think of a few reasons. 1. Paper stock. I just read Marvel's latest release of Conan the Barbarian and the cover stock felt flimsy and cheap and I felt the comic would fall apart at any moment. 2. Changes of characters to satisfy social justice warriors. Keep characters the same, I don't want to see a popular character in a new version. Invent a new character instead of ruining the old guard thanks. 1. Number 1! Number 1. New all new #1. Etc. 4. Variant of the variant of the variant. I go to a comic store and see a book on the shelf and I have no idea if I own it or not because there are so many covers to the same book. 5. Superman, Supergirl, Superdog, Supergrandma, SuperTransvestite. Why cant we have originality! Brawndo's got electrolytes. It's got what comics crave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jjonahjameson11 Posted February 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2019 The storylines are designed to fit the constraints of a 4-6 issue story arc in order for the Publisher to crank out the HC and TPB ASAP in order to squeeze every last penny from the consumers’ pockets. The characters have changed sooooo much that the Peter Parker of today doesn’t resemble the one I avidly followed on a monthly basis. Female Thor, Spidey, Loki, etc. Really? Who needs this . entertainment value —> $4 or $5 for 5 mins of reading. What happened to the story? Where did all the words go? D84, bc, kav and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FineCollector Posted February 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2019 Continuity. Companies took care that a new creator was aware of their vision for the character, both in style, speech, and story. Forward to early 2000's, and Marvel screwed the pooch first. They figured continuity was too complicated, so they were going to start the Ultimates Universe, so people could start from scratch. While they were at it, they loosened the reigns on the other creators, saying as long as the story was good, they didn't care that it didn't mesh with the old stories. In doing so, they flushed all their old readers for potential new readers, and continued to reboot every 5 years or so. I bailed on Marvel with Avengers Disassembled, where they gave the book to Brian Michael Bendis, who said he didn't like the Avengers, and didn't understand how Wanda could fall in love with Vision, a glorified toaster. Cue issue one, a jailbreak, where Jigsaw breaks Spider-Man's arm, and the artist (Finch?) says, oops, the -script said it was one of the Wrecking Crew, and he couldn't tell the difference between all those villains. DC lost me at Flashpoint. Best jumping off point ever. namisgr, D84, bc and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCheli Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Today's comics readers tend to have been collectors for a significant period of time, in many case decades. The readers of old did not stick around so long, so they didn't often have the chance to get disillusioned and complain when characters and stories started to go in different directions. That being said, the younger comics readers aren't as grumpy as the old and they are more willing to accept and enjoy new styles, new themes, and new storytelling. I ran a few cons about 12 years ago, and at one I had Scottie Young as a guest. His appeal was split neatly between love and hate right at around 30 years of age. I'm sure you can guess which was which. I still buy and enjoy a lot of new comics, and I'm 46. I dislike certain titles in much the same way I did when I was 16 or 26 or 36. fullerjason, Lazyboy and Ken Aldred 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phish&Comics Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I like moderns. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KPR Comics and FaRev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkowl Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, kav said: During the silver age people didnt hate silver age books-during the bronze age people didnt hate bronze age books during the copper age people didnt hate copper age books-now we're in the modern age and people generally find them despicable. Sure there are exceptions but what's the reason for the general distaste? Is this the only age where books have been generally despised? I'm actually not sure how true that is. My local comic shops would be out of business if they didn't carry modern books. I think there's another side to this coin. Also, people seem love modern variants. Edited February 2, 2019 by Darkowl kav and FaRev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 1950's war comics Posted February 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, jjonahjameson11 said: Female Thor, Spidey, Loki, etc. Really? Who needs this . this is the same strategy that my local hometown newspaper took on about 20 years ago .. they decided to cater to and tailor their stories with a completely one sided slant towards the liberal mindset ... what they did not realize is that they failed to pick up any new readership with their one sided reporting and they completely alienated their core readership group (like me) who began cancelling their subscriptions en masse the newspaper is on life support now and it is only partly do to the internet... it is mostly because it's reporting became politically correct instead of straight up journalism.... bentbryan, FoggyNelson, Badger and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artboy99 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, Phish&Comics said: I like moderns. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There are some great works coming out these days. I agree. kav, FaRev and Phish&Comics 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCheli Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, Darkowl said: I'm actually not sure how true that is. My local comic shops would be out of business if they didn't carry modern books. I think there's another side to this coin. Also, people seem love modern variants. It doesn't seem to be true because it isn't true. He doesn't like modern books and others here don't like them, so in his mind that means everyone hates them. jsilverjanet, Cat and Lazyboy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post catman76 Posted February 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) the mainstream marvel/dc stuff is boring and most of it's ugly, it's too serous superheros , it's not fun at all, it's aimed at collectors and "nerds". I hated it all back in 1990, now it's so much worse. The best comics now are the underground type stuff, independent, self published, people photocopying thier own stuff. There's so much interesting comics being made now, more than ever really, forget the marvel and dc stuff. Edited February 2, 2019 by catman76 kav, bc, D84 and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I missed Stan Lee created many characters along with other writers/artists. Most characters are often re-used that is where I got lost in some directions - I stopped buying them. I used to spend on my one or two dollars on 20 and 25 cent comic books in 1970's and still enjoyed them even today. Nowadays, those Modern books are pretty expensive and I sometimes spent on my $20 on just few books you name. Some artworks are terrible and not catchy as if it keeps cycling (repeating or over and over - some stories are very similar to others too) like Japanese animation art (not much changing in last 30+ years). Just few of them have great story lines that I intended to keep them. It's hard to sell Modern Age comic books than SA/BA/GA books. The cover price is $3.50 or more but you may sell them less than the cover price today. I gambled on Thief of Thieves books but I lost my money so I stick with them until I get lucky. Simply, there are too many Modern Age comic books out there. kav and Cliff R. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...