LordRahl Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 4 hours ago, HuddyBee said: How about ASM 300, you can't get a VG for under $100 yet there are more copies then Wolverine 1, 18,500 copies just on the census. Can people just stop quoting how many copies there are in the census? It's completely irrelevant how many total copies there are graded. 2 or 20,000... doesn't matter. Demand is what matters. You can have only 2 copies of a book in the census and if not one person wants that book, it doesn't matter that there are only 2 graded... it still won't sell for squat. 20,000 copies of ASM 300? Sure, but 100,000 people want one. grebal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuddyBee Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 3 hours ago, LordRahl said: Can people just stop quoting how many copies there are in the census? It's completely irrelevant how many total copies there are graded. 2 or 20,000... doesn't matter. Demand is what matters. You can have only 2 copies of a book in the census and if not one person wants that book, it doesn't matter that there are only 2 graded... it still won't sell for squat. 20,000 copies of ASM 300? Sure, but 100,000 people want one. Demand matters, yes but so does supply, as the term goes, "supply and demand, " both effect each other. thunsicker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, HuddyBee said: Demand matters, yes but so does supply, as the term goes, "supply and demand, " both effect each other. Yes but no one here seems to be taking that second part (demand) into the equation. All I see is "this books has x number of slabbed copies, I can't understand why it sells for so much". RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callaway29 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Stating the census is irrelevant is equivalent to saying demand is irrelevant... Neither are meaningless or absolute. Supa-Bad-Mofo, HuddyBee and Naphtha 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Callaway29 said: Stating the census is irrelevant is equivalent to saying demand is irrelevant... Neither are meaningless or absolute. The CGC census is not supply. It is not meaningless, but it definitely means less than some people think. RockMyAmadeus and mysterio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callaway29 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Lazyboy said: The CGC census is not supply. It is not meaningless, but it definitely means less than some people think. I don’t disagree. Obviously there are copies that exist outside of the census, and it’s certainly more meaningful for some books, than others... Edited March 1, 2019 by Callaway29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuddyBee Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 In this case I would say the census holds about half or more of the supply of 300, regardless the census is useful when comparing to other books and there value. If a key book with 1,000 copies of equal importance is getting $x dollars we can compare that to a book with 18,000 copies going for $y. Its not a useful tool to judge the overall population of a book, but it is to judge a books rarity (if it is a slab worthy key) compared to other comics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, HuddyBee said: In this case I would say the census holds about half or more of the supply of 300, regardless the census is useful when comparing to other books and there value. If a key book with 1,000 copies of equal importance is getting $x dollars we can compare that to a book with 18,000 copies going for $y. Its not a useful tool to judge the overall population of a book, but it is to judge a books rarity (if it is a slab worthy key) compared to other comics. Well, at least your post wasn't 100% inaccurate. RockMyAmadeus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuddyBee Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Lazyboy said: Well, at least your post wasn't 100% inaccurate. Well it was actually pretty accurate all the way thru, it is a useful tool to compare to other books of equal importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 hours ago, HuddyBee said: Well it was actually pretty accurate all the way thru So what is this 5 hours ago, HuddyBee said: In this case I would say the census holds about half or more of the supply of 300 supposed to mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuddyBee Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lazyboy said: So what is this supposed to mean? That's just my estimate of how many copies there are. I guess I could be wrong on the exact number of copies. I'm confused are you just looking for things to say, "actually" to? 😕 Edited March 1, 2019 by HuddyBee Naphtha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 4 hours ago, HuddyBee said: Well it was actually pretty accurate all the way thru, it is a useful tool to compare to other books of equal importance. That's not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 16 minutes ago, HuddyBee said: I guess I could be wrong on the exact number of copies. Yes. There are probably 10 times the number of extant copies that are raw than are on the census. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuddyBee Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said: Yes. There are probably 10 times the number of extant copies that are raw than are on the census. Okay so furthering my point I underestimated the #copies of ASM 300, so it's even more common than I thought. Thank you. Still think its overpriced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuddyBee Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 19 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said: That's not true. What's untrue about it? Is the census not useful to compare books of equal importance? Even if there are x times many more copies, the ratio should stay pretty consistent if the books are equal in importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 minute ago, HuddyBee said: What's untrue about it? Is the census not useful to compare books of equal importance? Even if there are x times many more copies, the ratio should stay pretty consistent if the books are equal in importance. The census only gives the broadest indications of what might exist, like "broadly, the census indicates that Hulk #1 is probably scarcer, in all grades, than AF #15. But that is only an indication." It is a mistake to use it for any meaningful comparison. It only tells us the most potential copies that have been slabbed. It doesn't even give an accurate count of what actually is slabbed, much of the time. Check out http://www.cgcdata.com/cgc/ to get an idea of how ratios change over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naphtha Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, RockMyAmadeus said: The census only gives the broadest indications of what might exist, like "broadly, the census indicates that Hulk #1 is probably scarcer, in all grades, than AF #15. But that is only an indication." It is a mistake to use it for any meaningful comparison. It only tells us the most potential copies that have been slabbed. It doesn't even give an accurate count of what actually is slabbed, much of the time. Check out http://www.cgcdata.com/cgc/ to get an idea of how ratios change over time. While I agree with your point, you can definitely use it for meaningful comparison. The idea that a warehouse exists with 1000 copies of high grade hulk 1s is not entirely impossible so it should be considered. However, the probability that said warehouse doesn't exist is much higher. Where it lacks the most is the amount of issues that have been cracked/pressed with complete disregard to the census. Edited March 1, 2019 by MadJimJaspers HuddyBee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuddyBee Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 34 minutes ago, MadJimJaspers said: While I agree with your point, you can definitely use it for meaningful comparison. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naphtha Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 22 hours ago, LordRahl said: Can people just stop quoting how many copies there are in the census? It's completely irrelevant how many total copies there are graded. 2 or 20,000... doesn't matter. Demand is what matters. You can have only 2 copies of a book in the census and if not one person wants that book, it doesn't matter that there are only 2 graded... it still won't sell for squat. 20,000 copies of ASM 300? Sure, but 100,000 people want one. Tell this to GA collectors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
