Green CGC or red CBCS best option 0

[Mark Di Roma]

So I have about 6 comics that are all signed. I have pictures And COA. But CGC will obviously only give green label. While CBCS will give red label. I’ve been looking all over the web and spoken to people in both companies but can’t really find an answer. For a unwitnessed signed comic that is legit with photo with the person and/or COA what is the better value option red or green. All bias opinions aside as a buyer what would be better. 

[Bomber-Bob]

1 hour ago, Mark Di Roma said:

So I have about 6 comics that are all signed. I have pictures And COA. But CGC will obviously only give green label. While CBCS will give red label. I’ve been looking all over the web and spoken to people in both companies but can’t really find an answer. For a unwitnessed signed comic that is legit with photo with the person and/or COA what is the better value option red or green. All bias opinions aside as a buyer what would be better. 

I'm sorry but there's no easy answer for you. I believe your are infering CBCS did not witness the signature either.  A lot of value will be lost for either company you submit to.  

[revat]

some of it will depend on your ultimate goal and preferences..  most of it will depend on the comic and the condition and what pricing info is available for the comics you're talking about.

 

Here's what I would do to the extent that its possible (depending on how much effort you want to put in):  research prices for the green label, the CBCS, and the raw signed comic with COA.  Use GPA and ebay to the extent possible.  If you can't find the specific comics, you can expand your search to similar comics and attempt to compare then extrapolate the results to yours. Make sure you factor in all relevant fees in submissions, as well as time, effort, and other selling fees. 

Sounds like a lot of work right?  Well that's why no one else can answer the question for you.

[Catwomancomics]

It’s also hard to answer not knowing what the books are or who signed them.

[Mark Di Roma]

I’ve actually done most of that the problem is 3 comics are signed by Rey Park one of them is a 9.8 or higher for sure the other is 9.6-9.8 most likely and the other around 9.0. They aren’t just signed he made them singular to the other signature copies he does with extra sayings and stuff becuase I was able to do handstand walks with him. So I not only don’t have any signatures to compare to but also I can’t even find those comics signed. 

Star Wars: Darth Maul volume 1 TP

Star Wars Darth Maul son of Dathomir diamond retailer summit variant 

last on was exclusive variant to Austin comic con of G.l. Joe volume one which literally just came out mid month 

I guess what I’m more looking for is do people by green label more the red label or vis versa. And what would the reasons you would or wouldn’t consider buying them. I mean logically authenticity red label seem to me that it’s better to do that then go green because at least you know for a fact it’s legit. But what what I’ve seen online that may not be the case so that’s why I wanted to see why people  thoughts were on the matter.

The worst part is I have photos with the Rey park and of use doing the handstand. My other comics have COA as well and I know for a fact they aren’t forgeries because when I bought them years back I saw the person getting them signed. 

I get this whole process because of forgeries it’s hard for a company to guarantee authenticity with out In person proof and because of technical  advances people can do just about anything. this is just a bad gray  area I fall into because all my stuff is legit and there weren’t witnesses present to do SS versions  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 28, 2019 by Mark Di Roma

[Catwomancomics]

I think in this case, I would NOT go with a green label “ name written on cover”.  

I would go with the COA and the Voldemort label to back up the COA and pictures.

I would only grade the 9.6/9.8 books and not the 9.0

Edited June 28, 2019 by Catwomancomics

[ivdyer]

It is all personal preference.  I like slabbed books hence the reason I got this book graded.  I have no intention of selling it and I know the sig is real verified by COA, me talking with his manager via email and getting a picture of him signing it.  Yes, its a green label but its a 9.8 and encapsulated to protect the art.

  

[Mark Di Roma]

Those labels indicate SS which isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m talking full green labels or full red label. In other words qualifiers vs verified 

[ivdyer]

11 minutes ago, Mark Di Roma said:

Those labels indicate SS which isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m talking full green labels or full red label. In other words qualifiers vs verified 

My statement stands....personal preference and what your intentions are with the book.  I am a buyer of neither.  

[Ron C.]

1 hour ago, Mark Di Roma said:

Those labels indicate SS which isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m talking full green labels or full red label. In other words qualifiers vs verified 

While I would prefer that CGC list the signers name on the label instead of just "name written on cover in marker" (most are recognizable and seen almost daily by them), I still like the CGC Green over the CBCS Red. 

My reasons include: a reasonable estimate of existing copies (via census), price (via GPA) and above all, I prefer the look and feel of the CGC slab.

[nriccijr]

It is totally up to you. I personally wouldn't get them slabbed. I would get a nice frame and put them up on the wall if they are special to you. If you are planning to sell I don't think you would even get back the fees of grading in your sale.

I personally would never buy either label, and would never touch anything from that other company

[Catwomancomics]

For what it’s worth, signed Star Wars Darth Maul books are selling for more than GI Joe books.  I wouldn’t do any Joe books.

[Crops068]

2 hours ago, Ron C. said:

While I would prefer that CGC list the signers name on the label instead of just "name written on cover in marker" (most are recognizable and seen almost daily by them), I still like the CGC Green over the CBCS Red. 

My reasons include: a reasonable estimate of existing copies (via census), price (via GPA) and above all, I prefer the look and feel of the CGC slab.

In the instance of Ray Park signing things, he takes up as much space as he can.  I saw him sign the entire plastic screen of a Pop front and side at a local con.  Then when it was my turn I had him sign one of his 8x10 Maul pictures (see spoiler).  He put 3 sayings on it and  3 signatures (Ray Park, Darth Maul, and just Maul).  It is gorgeous though so I have no issues with it.

So if he was to get it blue labeled, the grade drop would be severe I would imagine.  But that is just speculative without examples.

Spoiler

"Feel the power of the Sith!"

"Sith Rule!"

"Sith Forever!"

Side note - If you ever get a chance to meet Ray Park, do it!  It is worth it for sure.

 

[Mark Di Roma]

Thanks Definitely  would love to here more feedback from others on this subject. And yes I would have to agree that the blue label would suffer drastically on grading do the fact that there are several sayings we wrote with the signature. He I also agree he is well worth meeting. I do prefer to get them graded as the reservation is way better then board and bags and frames. And I don’t want to sell them at this time. But I want them to be graded in the way that will keep them at optimal value.  Personally give the right proof green labels don’t bother me. I would by them in general though unless I was satisfied with the proof. But I always prefer blue and gold over anything unless of course the green was presented to me by the seller with evidence of the signature that satisfies me. I also prefer CGC of CBCS don’t know much about CBCS just know about the red label as and option. Which is why it’s such a difficult decision. I want them to be verified just cuz I personally like having proof but do people truly recognize red labels as  Legitimate   Verification? Cuz if not then green labels are the way to go simply because CGC is more recognized  and reliable then CBCS from what I’ve read. 

[austinhg]

8 hours ago, Mark Di Roma said:

I do prefer to get them graded as the reservation is way better then board and bags and frames.

What are you getting from a slab that you aren't getting from a mylar bag w/ board? I hardly use mylar because I lack a collection of rare comics and pretty much only slab Signature Series books, so I am genuinely curious.

8 hours ago, Mark Di Roma said:

I want them to be verified just cuz I personally like having proof but do people truly recognize red labels as  Legitimate   Verification? Cuz if not then green labels are the way to go simply because CGC is more recognized  and reliable then CBCS from what I’ve read. 

I have thought about using their "Verification service" in the past, but have never pulled the trigger. Mostly because I'm hesitant to believe verifying a signature is nowhere near as accurate as what you get with the Signature Series program.

[Catwomancomics]

If you do an advanced search on eBay for cbcs verified and then check the sold box, you will see that there are buyers for this graded product. 

[Mark Di Roma]

So I’m actually a Deadpool collector. Been a fan of the character since his original creation. I kind of like the rework they did for his personality but sometimes it’s a bit much. I collect the entire series of First prints and then occasional by variants or appearance series. I’m working on getting every book first print all the way up to 2018. I personally would like to get all of them slabbed eventually but starting with the more rare versions. 

The grading I like simple because 1 it puts preservation grade on the comic and 2 it’s way better protected. All in all it’s just a better way of keeping your investments safe. 

Any other opinions on whether verified red legal CBCS is better then CGC green label or not.