Buzzetta Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 When I think of impact I think about those who brought a particular style that many others tried to copy. When I think of living I think of those that are still drawing breath. (So Kirby is excluded) In no particular order... Romita Sr comes to mind as does McFarlane. They changed the Spider-man game. To this day, Romita and McFarlane's take on Spider-man is the inspiration for many who tackle the character. George Perez, Miller, Jim Lee instantly come to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastaar Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, Buzzetta said: When I think of impact I think about those who brought a particular style that many others tried to copy. When I think of living I think of those that are still drawing breath. (So Kirby is excluded) In no particular order... Romita Sr comes to mind as does McFarlane. They changed the Spider-man game. To this day, Romita and McFarlane's take on Spider-man is the inspiration for many who tackle the character. George Perez, Miller, Jim Lee instantly come to mind. IMO. The thing with Perez is that he is very workmanlike. He is the definition of a comic book artist. Solid at everything but does he excel at anything that would make him one of the most important or impactful artist living. Has he pushed the industry forward in anyway or inspired others to take on his style? Now if you are taking into account his body of work then he is without question a Mount Rushmore figure....but his art falls just a bit short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Blastaar said: but his art falls just a bit short. Sure does, ex-nostalgia. When the Bronze generation finishes passing through and out of paying record prices for their nostalgia, the hobby overall (via ongoing prices paid) will not look too kindly on his body of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastaar Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 An argument I would like to see is who was/is more impactful to the industry Neal Adams or Todd McFarlane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhamlau Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 hours ago, vodou said: Sure does, ex-nostalgia. When the Bronze generation finishes passing through and out of paying record prices for their nostalgia, the hobby overall (via ongoing prices paid) will not look too kindly on his body of work. Don’t see it that way. That he worked on so many hundreds of books across so many companies, his impact and importance I think is locked up. Just on volume and longevity alone his influence was great and widespread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Marino Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Blastaar said: An argument I would like to see is who was/is more impactful to the industry Neal Adams or Todd McFarlane? Todd changed how Spider-Man was drawn, Jim Lee has changed how every other comic was drawn. Andahaion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CartoonFanboy Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Blastaar said: IMO. The thing with Perez is that he is very workmanlike. He is the definition of a comic book artist. Solid at everything but does he excel at anything that would make him one of the most important or impactful artist living. Has he pushed the industry forward in anyway or inspired others to take on his style? Now if you are taking into account his body of work then he is without question a Mount Rushmore figure....but his art falls just a bit short. Does not excel at anything? I would beg to differ with that assessment. Perez was great at a lot of things. Great story teller, great draftsman, a master at drawing complex scenes involving tons of characters. For me, I was most impressed with his ability to give characters different body types. Ever notice how a lot of artists have characters that look the same? Same build, same facial features, stuff like that. Go look at Perez's later work on Teen Titans (issue #39 is a good example). Look at how the characters builds and facial structure differs, it's masterful. He experimented with different ideas such as the title sequence from "Who Is Donna Troy". He worked on numerous seminal stories. The template for "Major Event" comic art IS George Perez. Numerous artists have cited Perez as an influence including Jim Lee, Phil Jimenez, Tom Grummett, heck even Alex Ross was greatly inspired by Perez in his youth. Just because the industry isn't littered with carbon copy imitators doesn't mean that Perez lacked influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastaar Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 44 minutes ago, Pete Marino said: Todd changed how Spider-Man was drawn, Jim Lee has changed how every other comic was drawn. Todd was successful in launching the third largest comic book publisher in the industry. No Todd, no Image. Plus McFarlane Toys and Entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_K Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, zhamlau said: 7 hours ago, vodou said: Sure does, ex-nostalgia. When the Bronze generation finishes passing through and out of paying record prices for their nostalgia, the hobby overall (via ongoing prices paid) will not look too kindly on his body of work. Don’t see it that way. That he worked on so many hundreds of books across so many companies, his impact and importance I think is locked up. Just on volume and longevity alone his influence was great and widespread. Nothing against George Perez but "volume and longevity" is almost the same argument that has been recently made in favor of Sal Buscema. And I also don't have anything against Sal Buscema. If nostalgia has no relation to importance or impact then how should we define importance or impact ?? Edited September 13, 2019 by Will_K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastaar Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Not trying to take anything away from Perez, just if we are looking at say the top 5 or maybe 10 important/impactful living artist he is closer to #10 than #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delekkerste Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/10/2019 at 12:33 PM, jjonahjameson11 said: You’re all wrong! It’s Sal Buscema, dammit!!! Pete Marino, glendgold and SquareChaos 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Blastaar said: An argument I would like to see is who was/is more impactful to the industry Neal Adams or Todd McFarlane? Not an argument at all. Neal Adams paved the way for Todd McFarlane, as well as Jim Lee. That “super-realistic” style and his panel layouts set him apart. Just like good (dead) Will Eisner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 It’s sort of cheating to list more than one. If you had to pick one, and only one, who would it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman_fan Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/12/2019 at 11:06 AM, grapeape said: Crumb almost fits in his own category of influence and genius. I can’t really explain what he’s doing but I love looking deeply into his art hand finish. Is "genius" the right word or is "perversion" more accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman_fan Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, delekkerste said: That is pretty fricken brilliant ! delekkerste 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhamlau Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Will_K said: Nothing against George Perez but "volume and longevity" is almost the same argument that has been recently made in favor of Sal Buscema. And I also don't have anything against Sal Buscema. If nostalgia has no relation to importance or impact then how should we define importance or impact ?? Because the key word here is “Impactful”. If you drew more books, at a very high quality, than nearly anyone else in the industry...you are going to have a greater potential for impact long term. More collectors/future artists are going to grow up reading and eventually being influenced by the art you produced. It’s really I think pretty straight forward. Your work has to be seen routinely, to be everywhere, to have the greatest potential impact on the widest possible audience. Plus his work sells exceptionally well, which is the standard many people seem to use to determine if someone was “great” or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vodou Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 29 minutes ago, zhamlau said: Plus his work sells exceptionally well, which is the standard many people seem to use to determine if someone was “great” or not. Dead on. I call this the Thomas Kinkade Standard of Greatness. See it enough times and surely you will be mesmerized into...buying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, batman_fan said: Is "genius" the right word or is "perversion" more accurate? The art work genius. The subject matter sometimes is not my cup of tea. Now perversion I think I know when I see it displayed but some think the statue of David is perverse. The artwork of Crumb genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapeape Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 40 minutes ago, vodou said: Dead on. I call this the Thomas Kinkade Standard of Greatness. See it enough times and surely you will be mesmerized into...buying! Can we please toss Tom Kinkade into the bin? R I P man no disrespect but ENOUGH ALREADY. Whats next? Sal Buscema post 1985 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman_fan Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, grapeape said: The art work genius. The subject matter sometimes is not my cup of tea. Now perversion I think I know when I see it displayed but some think the statue of David is perverse. The artwork of Crumb genius. The documentary on Crumb was amazing. He definitely had an "interesting" childhood and his brothers were even more "interesting" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...