Popular Post slpfi27 Posted February 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2020 Greetings, fellow CGC Members I am pretty new to the boards, and I am curious to hear people’s thoughts regarding these Printed Variants. Why are they not given a designation to separate them from their counterparts? EXAMPLE: I am currently collecting the Spectacular Spider-Man Series (1st Series 1976 #001 - #263). In that series we have 35 Cent Variants for issues #07, #08, #09, #10. They are hard to locate and thus making them very desirable and difficult to collect. The only difference between the 30 Cent Variant, and the 35 Cent Variant is the Price, yet they get a separate designation. They are certainly different, and this is recognized. PROBLEM: The Whitman Issues are also CLEARLY different as they have a Black Box with a White Diamond. They are easy to locate but difficult to find in perfect quality. Why do these books not have their own designation as well? Can somebody shed light on this for me? CGC if you are reading this could you please consider making this change? Whitman issues need some love. SUGGESTION: I feel this has been addressed on other forum posts, but I wanted to add, why doesn't CGC note Direct Editions, and Newsstand Variants? I think its would make complete sense to do this. We all know that the UPC Code vs Picture Box is the only difference as to the look of the book. However, we know newsstands are harder to come by because of how they are handled and distrubuted. So why not call them what they are going forward? People who have Newsstand Copies could re-submit and get the new designation. Simply note it! For example, if you already have a graded CGC book, and would like it to say "Newsstand" it would be like noting "White / Off-White Pages." CGC makes a fortune on re-slabbing, and us perfectionists would get our designation. As books return to CGC they would be "reclassified" into their correct space for example.... Spectacular Spider-Man #30 would say "Direct" or "Newsstand." The census could be updated as old books come back for reclassification, or CGC could really do us a solid, and go back and look at all them scan's they've done and do the work for us. Either way I feel it should be corrected. As collectors we don't do it because it is easy, we do it for the love of the hobby or because of the financial aspect. The more rare and difficult the collectable the more value it would have. This creates fuel to the already exciting hobby of collecting. I bet we would all find added excitement when locating Direct, Whitman, and Newsstand Variants. Who knows what other odd books could be out there? Just my two cents. Any thoughts folks? Thanks, as always! Brian W <slpfi27> For people that don't know what i mean, here is what i'm talking about i've added some photo's for you awesome people! mr_highgrade, Corona smith, rakehell and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Hello Brian @slpfi27 Nice pictures! And welcome to the forum You've certainly put a lot of effort into collecting your Spectacular Spider-Man run - well done (I see your journal post too). I had the full set myself once, variants and all. None graded though - I like em raw. Now, you join the boards at a time when participation is dwindling and regular members have said all there is to say on the subject of newsstand vs direct, CGC labelling etc. So don't be disheartened if you don't get many responses here. It's just that there is nothing left to say on the matter. If you search the forum you will find scores of threads, many long running, which go into some detail about the points you are raising. That is not to say that your points aren't valid - they've just been discussed to death already. So maybe have a little hunt around and you'll find everyone elses views on the matter. CGC have graded over 5m books. That's a lot of unlabelled newsstands and directs. So there wouldn't be much value in any statistics were they to start now. But they may go for your resubmission suggestion, because it has a positive financial aspect. More money in the CGC coffers. I jest. Probably. Again, welcome, you have some decent thinking here, but I'm afraid everyone who is interested has already thunk it to death oldmilwaukee6er, slpfi27 and rakehell 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 One other thing Brian, the embedded website below shows all the known US variants for The Spectacular Spider-Man: http://www.pecokit.com/checklist/usa/pptssm76.html Might be worth a look if you haven't seen it before to double check you have everything. Lots of variants in the title (I won't mention the pence ones) slpfi27 and rakehell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slpfi27 Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) You are so right.... and I have not seen that great site you showed me! Thank you bunches! This #213 is really frustrating indeed.... alot of Variants on that one by my count there is Four not Three Also thank you so much for the kind post! Look forward to hearing all you folks have to say! I hope CGC understands the benefit to them to let us re-submit the Newsstand Variants for Proper Placement. Certainly would add more money into the reslabbing for their profits, and at the sametime give us collectors something to shoot for. I am going back through my collection, and finding Newsstand Variants where possible. The way I see it, it will only make the set that much more impossible. Edited February 15, 2020 by slpfi27 Added Text Get Marwood & I 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Keep an eye out for misprints too Brian - a few of them out there (PPTSSM #23 & 27 below): If you want to go full completist mad that is slpfi27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Pence copies! slpfi27 and rakehell 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Better example (white 'P' in title): slpfi27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slpfi27 Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Get Marwood & I said: Keep an eye out for misprints too Brian - a few of them out there (PPTSSM #23 & 27 below): If you want to go full completist mad that is See! Now ya gone and done it! Just when I thought I was hunting my final few Canadian Variants, some10P and maybe a Yaffa and look what you come up with! Error Prints.... I had no idea?! Thanks for sharing i'll have to be on the look out for these too. You find out more let me know. I'm sure you have seen my set of "Spectacular Spider-Man Nuff Said!" Collection. If anyone has any suggestions or some help you can provide to make it more complete I am always grateful. Thanks for the headsup! I'll be hunting these now as well. Brian W. <slpfi27> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Last one Brian - sorry - a trip down memory lane for me - you won't be getting a CGC 9.8 one of these! slpfi27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, slpfi27 said: I'm sure you have seen my set of "Spectacular Spider-Man Nuff Said!" Collection Where is it? slpfi27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 minute ago, slpfi27 said: Just when I thought I was hunting my final few Canadian Variants, some10P and maybe a Yaffa and look what you come up with! Error Prints.... Mark Jewelers Inserts.... slpfi27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slpfi27 Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Get Marwood & I said: Last one Brian - sorry - a trip down memory lane for me - you won't be getting a CGC 9.8 one of these! Actually my friend... I have a few of these, but I am curious I don't see this one in the CGC noted Variants. To my knowledge once the bag is opened it looks EXACTLY like the Direct edition in everyway including Price spot. Do you think it could be noted as a Variant simply because of the Dirt Bag Polybag? I was thinking about mentioning this to CGC to see if it was a possibility for a Variant? Thoughts? Also thank you so much for showing me your great books. I love it! So grateful for your time! I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone says. If they say anything that is lol. Thanks again! Brian W <slpfi27> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 More from me later Brian, off out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slpfi27 Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Get Marwood & I said: Mark Jewelers Inserts.... Haahahaha! "Fleer Inserts" too, you jerk! LoL cracking me up. OKAY FINE! My collection will NEVER BE COMPLETE! See all I do is bring up Whitmans and Newsstand and then you gotta go all crazy cowboy on me! you so funny! One thing to point out though, at least CGC mentions "Mark Jewelers" ,"Fleer Inserts", "Bubblicious" and a few others. How hard would it be to simply note "Newsstand" moving forward, and seperating it to its own census data as they return for reslab. Simple way to generate added re-slab money for CGC, and easy way for us to get the Rarity we covet. Except for you raw guys out there lol. On a side note, on the CGC Registry my set is listed under "Spectacular Spider-Man" Set Name: Nuff Said. I have the final three books off for grading, and then I wish to fix my 21 non 9.8's to make it a perfect set. Then i'll do a few more Canadian Variants as well as hunt down the 10p's you displayed so awesomely above. Now I guess i'll be hunting errors until i'm in my 90's thanks to you! LoL SERIOUSLY though, thank you. I didn't know about those. Look forward to more.... Sincerely, Brian W <slpfi27> Edited February 15, 2020 by slpfi27 Added Text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 5 hours ago, slpfi27 said: Haahahaha! "Fleer Inserts" too, you jerk! LoL cracking me up. OKAY FINE! My collection will NEVER BE COMPLETE! See all I do is bring up Whitmans and Newsstand and then you gotta go all crazy cowboy on me! you so funny! Sorry. As you can see, I used to be quite preoccupied with inserts... Quote One thing to point out though, at least CGC mentions "Mark Jewelers" ,"Fleer Inserts", "Bubblicious" and a few others. How hard would it be to simply note "Newsstand" moving forward, and seperating it to its own census data as they return for reslab. I managed to get them to call 'UK Price Variants' (And Canadian / Australians) just that so there's hope Quote Simple way to generate added re-slab money for CGC, and easy way for us to get the Rarity we covet. Except for you raw guys out there lol. On a side note, on the CGC Registry my set is listed under "Spectacular Spider-Man" Set Name: Nuff Said. I have the final three books off for grading, and then I wish to fix my 21 non 9.8's to make it a perfect set. I'll have a look... Nice talking to a fellow lunatic variant enthusiast slpfi27 and oldmilwaukee6er 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 5 hours ago, slpfi27 said: See all I do is bring up Whitmans and Newsstand You might enjoy this thread by the way Brian: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slpfi27 Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 Great information friends! Thank you for all this great info. So my understanding is maybe CGC hasn't made classifications because..... Would you like the RED PILL or the BLUE PILL? It's a rabit hole that nobody knows really just how deep it goes? Hmmm.... Warlord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Marwood & I Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Volcano1991 said: ...you can tell if it's a newsstand or not simply by looking at the cover? And if you can't tell what it is from the cover then who cares? That applies in almost all cases of course for those who know their stuff. But not everyone knows their stuff. And for those that are interested in data streams, knowing for example the split of newsstand vs direct in the CGC census might be helpful information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockMyAmadeus Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 17 hours ago, slpfi27 said: PROBLEM: The Whitman Issues are also CLEARLY different as they have a Black Box with a White Diamond. Those ARE NOT "Whitman" issues. They are Direct market editions. 17 hours ago, slpfi27 said: I feel this has been addressed on other forum posts, but I wanted to add, why doesn't CGC note Direct Editions, and Newsstand Variants? Because when CGC opened in 2000, the market placed no value on the difference. CGC has refused to alter that stance since. Their argument is that "you can easily tell just by looking at it." That's a bad argument, because it ignores their most valuable marketing tools: the registry and the census. You cannot tell by looking at the census how many are Directs and how many are newsstands. But that's what they decided, and that's what they're going to do. 14 hours ago, slpfi27 said: How hard would it be to simply note "Newsstand" moving forward, Because that's the way they've been doing it for 20 years, and until it makes a noticeable dent in submissions, they won't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slpfi27 Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, RockMyAmadeus said: Those ARE NOT "Whitman" issues. They are Direct market editions. Because when CGC opened in 2000, the market placed no value on the difference. CGC has refused to alter that stance since. Their argument is that "you can easily tell just by looking at it." That's a bad argument, because it ignores their most valuable marketing tools: the registry and the census. You cannot tell by looking at the census how many are Directs and how many are newsstands. But that's what they decided, and that's what they're going to do. Because that's the way they've been doing it for 20 years, and until it makes a noticeable dent in submissions, they won't change. Okay so "Direct Market Editions" Whatever they should be called. Clearly i'm not an "expert" but the clarity of what a book is should be noted. The way CGC makes this make sense is they make money on doing it. As you said, it benefits us and them in almost everyway possible. So I get it.... 20 Years later .... Here we are lets do this! Lets call a book what it is. Also software and technology is with us. Why keep the old ways when the new ways are so much more CRAZY! Edited February 16, 2020 by slpfi27 Added Text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...