speople Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 I recently came across this, primarily because I have one of these in great condition myself, if I can find it lol, but looking at the census is literally gobsmacking, as there is only 1 known example of this particular comic in the world that has a grade of 9.2 or above. (the black cover makes this incredibly, almost non existently scarce imo) Anyone know of any other examples of SA comics having just one example of 9.2 or above left ? https://comics.gocollect.com/guide/view/122870 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post namisgr Posted June 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) There are quite a few. Two issues of Mystery in Space featuring Adam Strange, #55 and #58 have no copies graded above 9.0. Here's the only 9.0 copy of #55 And one of the three 9.0 copies of #58: Edited June 29, 2020 by namisgr KirbyJack, Larryw7, electricprune and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bc Posted June 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, speople said: I recently came across this, primarily because I have one of these in great condition myself, if I can find it lol, but looking at the census is literally gobsmacking, as there is only 1 known example of this particular comic in the world that has a grade of 9.2 or above. (the black cover makes this incredibly, almost non existently scarce imo) Anyone know of any other examples of SA comics having just one example of 9.2 or above left ? https://comics.gocollect.com/guide/view/122870 Don't confuse what you currently see in the census of graded books versus the potential copies left in private collections that haven't been slabbed yet. I've been focused on Pre-Hero Marvels (1957-1963 time frame) seriously for over a decade. I've watched "the highest graded copies" topple again and again as new collections are brought to market (slabbed and added to the census). The Shasta Lake collection is one of the most recent examples from earlier this year. Prefer to see them noted as "Currently the Highest Graded Copy" as there is likely a better copy somewhere in the world that hasn't been encapsulated. Still, congrats for having one! -bc jimjum12, silverseeker, Keys_Collector and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanCooper Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 37 minutes ago, namisgr said: There are quite a few Very true! Especially with 1950s DCs Here's some examples of #1 DC issues and top of census: Lois Lane 1 - only one 9.0 copy Jimmy Olsen 1 - only one 8.5 copy Brave And The Bold 1 - only one 8.0 copy Showcase 1 - only one 9.0 copy Tales Of The Unexpected 1 - only one 7.5 copy jimjum12, namisgr and Terry E. Gibbs 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keys_Collector Posted June 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, bc said: Don't confuse what you currently see in the census of graded books versus the potential copies left in private collections that haven't been slabbed yet. I don't know how often I see non-rare books for sale stating "only xx amount on the census" as if it is because of its perceived rarity as opposed to not many people slabbing the book. Bluemedgroup, Readcomix, waaaghboss and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusterMark Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) There are lots of very-early SA books that do not appear to exist in grades higher than 7.5/8.0 (let alone 9.2!). Yes the census is obviously not complete because many people haven’t slabbed their books, BUT for many of these very-early SA books, it is a pretty safe bet that grades higher than 7.5/8.0 will never be seen, graded or raw. Edited June 29, 2020 by MusterMark Readcomix, silverseeker, Terry E. Gibbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pickycollector Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Showcase #17, never seen a copy better than 6.5 (and still waiting) jimjum12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DanCooper Posted June 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 30, 2020 25 minutes ago, pickycollector said: Showcase #17, never seen a copy better than 6.5 (and still waiting) NOT mine....I wish it was! From the famous Newsboy collection (bought by Mike Goldman Motor City Comics and auctioned off by Heritage in 2009) aardvark88, waaaghboss, electricprune and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor800 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 On 6/29/2020 at 9:35 PM, DanCooper said: NOT mine....I wish it was! From the famous Newsboy collection (bought by Mike Goldman Motor City Comics and auctioned off by Heritage in 2009) omg that is nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post valiantman Posted July 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) NERD ALERT! 7,764 different comics submitted to CGC dated 1954 to 1969 have a highest grade of 9.2 or lower. 990 have been submitted at least 10 times (universal grades). Action Comics #252 has no copies higher than CGC 9.2 (obviously, if they're ungraded in private collections, they do exist), and has the highest number of universal submissions at 881. Superboy #68 is next highest number of universal submissions (513) with CGC 9.2 highest. Flash #110 has a 9.2, Action #242 has 9.0, Strange Tales #89 has 9.0. Moving down the list of the most submitted books and looking for highest grades under 9.0: Tales To Astonish #1 (8.5) Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen #1 (8.5) World's Finest Comics #71 (8.5) Batman #105 (8.5) Brave and the Bold #1 (8.0) Tales of Suspense #2 (8.5) Tales to Astonish #21 (8.5) Looking for books under 8.0 highest grade: Little Archie #1 (7.0) Amazing Fantasy #15 United Kingdom (7.0) Brave and the Bold #2 (7.0) Young Men #26 (7.5) Young Men #28 (7.5) ... and then you get into books with fewer than 40 universal copies on the CGC census, which might be rare, but usually means "not much demand". Here's one more interesting note... Amazing Spider-Man #2 United Kingdom is the only comic (1954-1969) submitted at least 20 times to CGC (universal grades) without at least a 7.0 on the census. It's a 6.5. Edited July 10, 2020 by valiantman thunsicker, comicdonna, Jasonmorris1000000 and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Lou 14 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) On 6/29/2020 at 2:06 PM, bc said: Don't confuse what you currently see in the census of graded books versus the potential copies left in private collections that haven't been slabbed yet. On 6/29/2020 at 2:24 PM, Keys_Collector said: I don't know how often I see non-rare books for sale stating "only xx amount on the census" as if it is because of its perceived rarity as opposed to not many people slabbing the book. This 100%. It can sometimes be really hard to tell how much the census numbers for a particular book have to do with legitimate scarcity and how much it's about lack of interest / demand from collectors and speculators. Speaking purely from my own experience assembling runs of Marvel comics, I can say that plenty of the books I've struggled to track down aren't scarce at all in terms of number of surviving copies -- but they might be "rare" in terms of the census (or more importantly to me, the market) because very few people care enough to slab them, and those that do are often run collectors who hold on to them. My WTB thread is loaded with Bronze Age stragglers (Marvel Team-Up #7, anyone??) that I'm pretty sure nobody cares about. I'm the wrong guy to ask about DC books because they hold no appeal for me, but is there much collector interest in the specific issues being mentioned in this thread? I've never bought a Silver Age DC book but I do recognize certain covers for books that tend to have some buzz around them. I can't say that I've ever seen any of these covers before. (Apologies in advance for my ignorance.) Edited July 11, 2020 by Sweet Lou 14 Gnasher, 01TheDude and Keys_Collector 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jimjum12 Posted July 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2020 I've got a buddy who has a larger collection of raw books.... he was a "High Grade Snob", his words, since the late 70's. I asked him about slabbing and he said, "Why would I want to spend all that money if they're not for sale ?". For example, he has 2 copies of ST 89, one is around 9.0 and the other one would easily blow a 9.0 out of the water. There are still a LOT of collectors like my friend. GOD BLESS... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) ThothAmon, 01TheDude, buttock and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozonetv Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 I'm also looking into finding a method to come up with values for books in rare grades that don't come to market very often. I've been looking at GoCollect's FMV Modeler to predict values. Seems as good as anything out there. For example, I have a Captain America 117 9.6 WP that I'm looking to sell in the future. Last one sold was 2018 for $2750, and I've had offers based on that value, which I totally understand. But the Modeler says its worth 4200 now, which makes sense to me too. I guess I'll just put it out there when I'm ready and see what happens. jimjum12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namisgr Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) On 6/29/2020 at 9:08 PM, pickycollector said: Showcase #17, never seen a copy better than 6.5 (and still waiting) I was happy to have found a decent looking copy in that grade for my Adam Strange collection. That Newsboy top census copy is insanely nice: Edited July 15, 2020 by namisgr ThothAmon, aardvark88, pickycollector and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gatsby77 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 On 7/10/2020 at 9:22 PM, Sweet Lou 14 said: This 100%. It can sometimes be really hard to tell how much the census numbers for a particular book have to do with legitimate scarcity and how much it's about lack of interest / demand from collectors and speculators. Speaking purely from my own experience assembling runs of Marvel comics, I can say that plenty of the books I've struggled to track down aren't scarce at all in terms of number of surviving copies -- but they might be "rare" in terms of the census (or more importantly to me, the market) because very few people care enough to slab them, and those that do are often run collectors who hold on to them. My WTB thread is loaded with Bronze Age stragglers (Marvel Team-Up #7, anyone??) that I'm pretty sure nobody cares about. I'm the wrong guy to ask about DC books because they hold no appeal for me, but is there much collector interest in the specific issues being mentioned in this thread? I've never bought a Silver Age DC book but I do recognize certain covers for books that tend to have some buzz around them. I can't say that I've ever seen any of these covers before. (Apologies in advance for my ignorance.) This. Here's an example: Secret Hearts, a DC romance title that ran from 1949 - 1971, with more than 150 issues total. Half of the first 50 issues haven't been slabbed at all. Granted, that's mostly Golden Age (1949-1958), but still. But then only 21 of the the next 50 issues have any slabs -- that's issues 51-100, running Dec. 1958 - Dec. 1964. And more than half just aren't on the census. The census shows 12 copies total above CGC 8.0 from that six-year period, spread over just 10 of the 50 issues. The run's not hard to put together in 4.0, but in 6.0, it's fairly difficult. Legit 8.0+ (even raw)? Good luck. But I still wouldn't wager the books aren't out there -- there's just so little demand for a 50+ year-old romance titles, that why would you bother slabbing them? ThothAmon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonmorris1000000 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Rosland said: Strange Worlds #1. I haven’t looked it up in the census, but this has to be up there in rarity. An argument can be made that this is the first Marvel Silver Age comic. Edited July 16, 2020 by Jasonmorris1000000 . Sweet Lou 14 and KCOComics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miraclemet Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Jasonmorris1000000 said: I haven’t looked it up in the census, but this has to be up there in rarity. An argument can be made that this is the first Marvel Silver Age comic. 67 copies on census, 4 copies sold this year including the CGC 8.0 (5 higher and 4 in that grade) dont know how rare that makes it... A short lived title that ran out of steam by August of 1959. Reads like Stan Lee dug back in his "hold" file of sci-fi and post code "horror" and put together a few issues. What about that can be argued as "the first Marvel silver age comic"? Marvel hadn't even changed it's name to Marvel yet! buttock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peewee22 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 On 6/29/2020 at 8:35 PM, DanCooper said: NOT mine....I wish it was! From the famous Newsboy collection (bought by Mike Goldman Motor City Comics and auctioned off by Heritage in 2009) Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmehdy Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 7 hours ago, Jasonmorris1000000 said: I haven’t looked it up in the census, but this has to be up there in rarity. An argument can be made that this is the first Marvel Silver Age comic. WOW great book and great condition cong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonmorris1000000 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Mmehdy said: WOW great book and great condition cong I wish it was mine. It belongs to Rosland. They posted it on the Pre-Hero Marvel thread. My copy is probably a 2.0-2.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...