telerites Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, The-Collector said: My recent sub was fine (one book was actually quite a bit higher than I expected). Conversely, I did buy this book recently and the grade is a total head scratcher. Graders notes say that there is a large circular stain on the FC bottom right. I have looked at it every which way under strong light and can't see any stain. Maybe it is on the inside FC and doesn't bleed through? Unlikely but I guess possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transplant Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, seanfingh said: Anyone can miss something from time to time but a 20% shift indicates a grading paradigm shift. When you say paradigm shift do you really mean "opportunity to encourage resubs?" @seanfingh Edited July 17, 2020 by Transplant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypost Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 On 7/16/2020 at 8:35 AM, The Lions Den said: As a matter of fact, it's been set up that way since the early days of CGC. The pre-grader is responsible for making sure all the information about the book is correctly entered into the system; that way when the label is printed out all the correct info will appear on the label. They also count the pages, check for any loose or missing parts, look for resto and grade the book to the best of their ability. If they find resto, they will almost always consult with another grader or restoration expert to make sure the resto information is entered correctly. Once the books are pre-graded, they go back into their box until the finalizer for that particular tier can finalize them. This interval can be short or long depending upon various factors (walkthroughs will almost always be finalized the same day, for example). The finalizer is also responsible for double checking the information and all the other details relating to the book. If the finalizer's grade is substantially different than the pre-grader's, the finalizer will usually pass the book to another finalizer to confirm their grade. With modern books, the same system applies, but they often move through the system quicker because there are less defects and restoration isn't as common, not to mention all of the other problems that can be associated with vintage books. And please bear in mind that the "three grader" system was established back in the days when the company wasn't processing the same amount of books they are now, and books were often seen by more than three graders. I hope this helps in some small way... It helps, but it doesn't build confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypost Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I'll post some scans of recent 9.4's and 9.6's I got back. I cant find a thing wrong with the books, yet the graders notes all say the same thing, which I know is not 100% accurate. William-James88, TheGeneral and 956Ref 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos_in_Canada Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 5:24 PM, Red_Hood said: In 17 years of submitting books. I've never seen the needle swing so much to the harsh grading. Books I would submit in the past 10 years that were slam dunk 9.8's with ease are now coming back slammed with zero notes and these are perfect. I've been doing this long enough to know the quality of what it takes to be 9.8 and there is no consistency anymore. I should clarify though, when I say books are being slammed... I'm getting 9.6 and 9.4 when I damn well know these are 9.8's Long story... short.... if I'm sending thousands of books a year to get that grader who is on a rampage then it's time to stop submitting thousands of books to you. It doesn't make any business sense to allow you to under grade. I want my 1000% profit margins back on these junky-arse modern books. Yes, I'm complaining because there is absolutely no consistency. Pics or it didn't happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Collector Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, telerites said: Maybe it is on the inside FC and doesn't bleed through? Unlikely but I guess possible? You made me crack it Looks fine to me. No interior stains either. Go figure telerites 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The-Collector Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, BlowUpTheMoon said: I can't see anything which would be properly called a large circular stain. telerites 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, bb8 said: I posted it in the 'This Week Back From CGC' thread. It's the ST 110. Here are the notes: heavy spine stress lines to cover heavy wear full left of spine light cover tanning light staple tears multiple crease full top of front cover breaks color multiple crease right bottom of front cover breaks color multiple crease right top of front cover breaks color I don't know why I would post there as this is already graded and I don't have before pics. I could take back cover/better pics later but I'm at work. It's a strong 1.8 IMO. You're right, where you posted it is better. I will go take a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, The-Collector said: You made me crack it Looks fine to me. No interior stains either. Go figure So then resub it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Collector Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, William-James88 said: So then resub it Was planning on it. You should do yours too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, The-Collector said: Was planning on it. You should do yours too Which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Collector Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, William-James88 said: Which one? My mistake I thought you submitted something that came back lower than expected too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William-James88 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, The-Collector said: My mistake I thought you submitted something that came back lower than expected too. It's all good man. Good luck on the resubbing, really curious to the result. That is a gorgeous book and you have me jealous The-Collector 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telerites Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, The-Collector said: I can't see anything which would be properly called a large circular stain. graders weren't fans of boogie-woogie music The-Collector 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanfingh Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 43 minutes ago, Transplant said: When you say paradigm shift do you really mean "opportunity to encourage resubs?" @seanfingh I see what you did there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just buy up all the recently graded 9.8s, and resub them for 11s in a couple months KCOComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, The-Collector said: 4 hours ago, valiantman said: If we can get a sense of grading standards by watching the most submitted comic book of all time, then here you go: Does each bin represent the percentage breakdown for books submitted in that year? Or does each bin represent the distribution for all books on the census? Just the year mentioned. I subtracted the 2000-2004 totals from the 2000-2005 totals to make the 2005 single year percentage for 9.8 and 9.4+. Red_Hood and The-Collector 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, valiantman said: 1 hour ago, The-Collector said: 4 hours ago, valiantman said: If we can get a sense of grading standards by watching the most submitted comic book of all time, then here you go: Does each bin represent the percentage breakdown for books submitted in that year? Or does each bin represent the distribution for all books on the census? Just the year mentioned. I subtracted the 2000-2004 totals from the 2000-2005 totals to make the 2005 single year percentage for 9.8 and 9.4+. Here's a version with "All Years" (the full CGC census) as its own columns (after 2020). Red_Hood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Cool Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, valiantman said: Here's a version with "All Years" (the full CGC census) as its own columns (after 2020). Great info and matches what I have been hearing from people (and saw in my last sub) this year. CGC seems to be in love with 9.6s and it's tough work to get the 9.8s. Looks like they have 7 year cycles with the first 7 being tight, 7 years loose and new 5 years of tight. Two more years until the next loose phase! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...