exitmusicblue Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 <- clueless "young(er)" dude <- nostalgia was X-cutioner's Song... Stryfe and Sinister are bad mamas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmehdy Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 23 hours ago, ShallowDan said: Yeah, the next illustration art auction looks to have the best mix of pin-up art they've offered in quite a while (at least since the Martignette collection was sold off). There are several very nice pieces. It will be interesting to see if the 3 trillion dollars which just got dumped into the economy will raise prices on these. ShallowDan and Twanj 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisquitodoom Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 12 hours ago, delekkerste said: Many people are not keen on JRJR's 1st stint on UXM I really don't care for most of the art on that run, but the stories make it plenty good reading. But it beats the heck out of his second run. That's some rough stuff. delekkerste and Unstoppablejayd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuraddoRun Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 On 9/15/2020 at 11:14 PM, BuraddoRun said: This is one of my favorite X-Men covers, personally, definitely top 5. I still remember picking up the newsstand edition in a grocery store (maybe Safeway?) when I was a kid. This Wolvie/Cap/Widow cover we're talking about is not in my top 5, but it is definitely AWESOME, and won't surprise me if it hits or surpasses that 250K we're guessing. I don't know how I misread previous comments when I posted this, but I did. For some reason I was thinking we were talking about Uncanny # 275. That's the one I picked up in the grocery store and is one of my top 5 Lee/Williams covers. Of course it's a gatefold, too. I got X-Men # 1 at my comic shop when it came out, and while of course that's awesome too, I prefer this one. Twanj, Catwoman_Fan and jjonahjameson11 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin76 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 19 hours ago, BuraddoRun said: I don't know how I misread previous comments when I posted this, but I did. For some reason I was thinking we were talking about Uncanny # 275. That's the one I picked up in the grocery store and is one of my top 5 Lee/Williams covers. Of course it's a gatefold, too. I got X-Men # 1 at my comic shop when it came out, and while of course that's awesome too, I prefer this one. Always loved this cover and thought it one of Lee/Williams's best of their Uncanny run However, While I love Jim Lee's art, he does the same thing over and over again. Characters standing around in a pose with headshots in the background....It's getting old. Scott, tell Jim to knock it off and have his characters actually doing something haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin76 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Now this is just plain awesome! Coming in November to HA 75K? 100k? 150k? BuraddoRun, jjonahjameson11 and Twanj 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjonahjameson11 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 10 hours ago, Kevin76 said: Now this is just plain awesome! Coming in November to HA 75K? 100k? 150k? I’d love to hear pre-auction estimates and rationale from Mike, Will, and Glen on this page in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronty Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 I'd love to hear it too. My own guess based on nothing would be 60 or 65. Seems like above that you are getting to close to cover prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NelsonAI Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 It's time for the rest of the 1990's art to pick up the pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluechip Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) On 9/17/2020 at 11:26 AM, Mmehdy said: It will be interesting to see if the 3 trillion dollars which just got dumped into the economy will raise prices on these. A big question is how much of it will actually work its way into the economy versus being held in accounts or even moved offshore. Edited September 21, 2020 by bluechip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NelsonAI Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 So the marketplace has already had McFarlane Spidey covers exceed and match prices of John Byrne Uncanny X-Men covers. By all pre-auction estimates, the Jim Lee X-Men 268 cover is about to do the same. The generational shift is here. Even with an evolving artistic style, Jim remains as popular as ever. Being a DC executive clearly has its advantages since Jim can probably dictate what projects he wants to work on and with whichever creative team he wants. Byrne had power and influence in his day but not like what Jim has had at DC. grapeape, Twanj, BuraddoRun and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bronty Posted October 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2020 I think Jim earned that influence. I dislike his artwork but anybody that can stay on top of all his responsibilities and have 8 kids has my respect. I attribute his success to him being great at all the stuff outside of drawing more than the drawing itself. You never hear anyone say a bad word about the guy. If you put out consistent work and earn the love and respect of your fans and colleagues for decades, the artwork itself becomes secondary. The dependability and reliability and love you put out there overcomes. And in fairness I think he's gotten better as a draftsman over the years which even non-fans like myself have to appreciate and respect because rare is the artist that improves with age. Twanj, alxjhnsn, Andahaion and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuraddoRun Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 10:31 AM, NelsonAI said: So the marketplace has already had McFarlane Spidey covers exceed and match prices of John Byrne Uncanny X-Men covers. By all pre-auction estimates, the Jim Lee X-Men 268 cover is about to do the same. The generational shift is here. Even with an evolving artistic style, Jim remains as popular as ever. Being a DC executive clearly has its advantages since Jim can probably dictate what projects he wants to work on and with whichever creative team he wants. Byrne had power and influence in his day but not like what Jim has had at DC. I will admit (don't shake your fingers at me!!! ) that I prefer the works of Lee over some of the older big artists like Kirby and Romita. Truth be told, it IS a generational thing...mostly. I grew up with Jim Lee, Todd McFarlane, Rob Liefield (I like him, but I don't consider him "great"), and other late 80s early 90s artists. But there's crossover. John Byrne's art was still strong during that time and he's in the top part of my favorite's list. When I was a kid, I didn't like Kirby or Steranko or Romita's art. Buscema I liked, but he wasn't at the forefront of my appreciation. It wasn't until I got older and paid more attention to details and framing and appreciated history more that I came to like the pioneers of superhero comic art. I have broader tastes now, and find myself picking up older comic issues (can't afford a lot of the older artwork right now) by some of these pre-1980 artists and spending a lot more time actually looking at and appreciating the artwork. It's good stuff. It will be weird when the next generational shift occurs, and these post-2000 artists start to shoot up in popularity and price. But the greats will always be great. It's just that new artists will continue to join the Hall of Fame, is all. grapeape, NelsonAI and John E. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 6 hours ago, BuraddoRun said: I will admit (don't shake your fingers at me!!! ) that I prefer the works of Lee over some of the older big artists like Kirby and Romita. Truth be told, it IS a generational thing...mostly. I grew up with Jim Lee, Todd McFarlane, Rob Liefield (I like him, but I don't consider him "great"), and other late 80s early 90s artists. But there's crossover. John Byrne's art was still strong during that time and he's in the top part of my favorite's list. When I was a kid, I didn't like Kirby or Steranko or Romita's art. Buscema I liked, but he wasn't at the forefront of my appreciation. It wasn't until I got older and paid more attention to details and framing and appreciated history more that I came to like the pioneers of superhero comic art. I have broader tastes now, and find myself picking up older comic issues (can't afford a lot of the older artwork right now) by some of these pre-1980 artists and spending a lot more time actually looking at and appreciating the artwork. It's good stuff. It will be weird when the next generational shift occurs, and these post-2000 artists start to shoot up in popularity and price. But the greats will always be great. It's just that new artists will continue to join the Hall of Fame, is all. It isn't just a generational thing. I was never a great fan of Marvel artists' bullpen art, including the names you mentioned, and others. But, I also think there is a difference in format and presentation today--lots more splashes and splashly looking artistry as compared to more detailed-oriented pages set around the classic six panel with modifications. Byrne was always big on the splashy look (that is not a knock, his skill set is very high). Adams virtually invented it. Whether the greats will always be great is a matter of opinion. Check the prices on rare antique furniture compared to more modern classics from the Art Deco period or Mid-century modern. Guess what isn't selling well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuraddoRun Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 14 hours ago, Rick2you2 said: Whether the greats will always be great is a matter of opinion. Check the prices on rare antique furniture compared to more modern classics from the Art Deco period or Mid-century modern. Guess what isn't selling well? Art appreciation is subjective, of course, but I really don't ever see the pioneers losing their "greatness" in the eyes of fans and collectors. Even if the artwork itself becomes less visually appealing, they'll still be part of the defining history behind longstanding characters, and I think that will help maintain their staying power. Andahaion and NelsonAI 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjonahjameson11 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 22 hours ago, Rick2you2 said: It isn't just a generational thing. I was never a great fan of Marvel artists' bullpen art, including the names you mentioned, and others. But, I also think there is a difference in format and presentation today--lots more splashes and splashly looking artistry as compared to more detailed-oriented pages set around the classic six panel with modifications. Byrne was always big on the splashy look (that is not a knock, his skill set is very high). Adams Eisner virtually invented it. Whether the greats will always be great is a matter of opinion. Check the prices on rare antique furniture compared to more modern classics from the Art Deco period or Mid-century modern. Guess what isn't selling well? Fixed that for ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 6 hours ago, jjonahjameson11 said: Fixed that for ya. Not sure I agree with the fix. Eisner was the father of using panel selections and design to show time, and story progression, and he certainly did use some splashes, mostly in his introductions, but not like today. Besides, I was really focusing on modern work, and Adams was a game changer that Eisner basically invented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ESeffinga Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 How does one change the game more than inventing something? Asking for a friend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alxjhnsn Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 6:57 AM, Rick2you2 said: ICheck the prices on rare antique furniture compared to more modern classics from the Art Deco period or Mid-century modern. Guess what isn't selling well? "Brown furniture" is not selling. "Brown furniture" is what the kids call it. On 10/27/2020 at 4:28 PM, Bronty said: I think Jim earned that influence. I dislike his artwork but anybody that can stay on top of all his responsibilities and have 8 kids has my respect. I attribute his success to him being great at all the stuff outside of drawing more than the drawing itself. You never hear anyone say a bad word about the guy. If you put out consistent work and earn the love and respect of your fans and colleagues for decades, the artwork itself becomes secondary. The dependability and reliability and love you put out there overcomes. And in fairness I think he's gotten better as a draftsman over the years which even non-fans like myself have to appreciate and respect because rare is the artist that improves with age. I agree. I, too, am not a big fan of Jim's work. That said, I've a ton of his comics and I'm more than impressed by the guy. He's friendly and hardworking. He's great with his fans, has accomplished a ton in his career, and seems to be a loving dad and husband. I fully appreciate his artistic skill (and Scott's inking), but it just doesn't ring my bell on a consistent basis. That's not to say that I wouldn't take a page gratefully if someone gave me one, it's just that I don't have him (or most (all?) of his contemporaries at Image) on my radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 hours ago, alxjhnsn said: "Brown furniture" is not selling. "Brown furniture" is what the kids call it. So do dealers, in some cases. alxjhnsn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...