Cameljay Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Hello, I am wondering if a yellow label book can be cracked by anyone other than CCS for pressing, be resubmitted and still retain the yellow label? Thank-you very much, Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Jennifer F. Posted April 27, 2021 Administrator Share Posted April 27, 2021 Good morning, In order to retain the Signature Series label, the book would have to be cracked out by CGC. So, the only way to have it pressed and retain the SS label would be to send it in the holder here to CCS for pressing and have us remove it from the holder, press it and regraded it. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameljay Posted April 27, 2021 Author Share Posted April 27, 2021 TYVM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony S Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 (edited) Jennifer - are we certain this is correct? Joe at CFP Comics has been able to crack, press and resubmit CGC Yellow label books for decades. His website still lists he can. So unless there has been a very recent change - like just in the last few weeks - your answer looks to have one exception. https://cfpcomics.com/services/ Edited April 29, 2021 by Tony S Die Cardie Die!! and Catwomancomics 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Jennifer F. Posted April 29, 2021 Administrator Share Posted April 29, 2021 Hi, I have sent this information over to our Director of Operations and he is checking into it. At this time, I don't have any additional information but we'll update you as soon as we can. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediaslave Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 I called and spoke with Shane a bit ago, he confirmed that CFP CAN do SS. Problem is, I can't get CFP to confirm it, or answer any emails/ FB messenger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Jennifer F. Posted May 5, 2021 Administrator Share Posted May 5, 2021 Hello, I have heard back from our Director and he advised that Joe at CFP was allowed in the past due to a deal we had with him at the time. But that has since changed and it is no longer accepted. Our Director has advised that is no longer listed on the FAQ at CFP. I'm sorry for any confusion. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediaslave Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 So no Joe 100%? That's a shame. I gotta say (and not trying to be confrontational, please read this in a friendly tone. ) I think CGC seriously needs to start a program of vetting pressers to do SS books. It makes zero sense that a CGC authorized witness (store or whatever) can crack a book to get a signature added, but a presser can't crack it to squish it. Whats the difference? Cracked is cracked. CCS doesn't do the best job compared to some of the other guys out there, and the timeline is kinda bonkers. From an outsider view, a number of CGC's latest moves could come across as quite unfriendly and no-quite-predatory-but-definitely-self-serving, such as shrinking the dealer discount and the short timeframe for the price rise. Opening up some pressers as SS options would be a friendly not to the collecting community to show them CGC isn't just abusing a position of (current) dominance. Oh and graders notes for 9.6 and below. Scoobydiesel and steveinthecity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Jennifer F. said: Hello, I have heard back from our Director and he advised that Joe at CFP was allowed in the past due to a deal we had with him at the time. But that has since changed and it is no longer accepted. Our Director has advised that is no longer listed on the FAQ at CFP. I'm sorry for any confusion. Thanks! Terrible decision. This will have the opposite impact on submissions than what CGC think it will. Scoobydiesel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisionbomb Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Personally I'd love to have a ton of pressers available to crack/re-submit, but from a standpoint of keeping SS 100% legit, it's the right decision to only allow an associated company (CCS, through previous receiving by CGC) to handle this. Joe is legit, but almost anyone could be swayed by the right amount cash to start getting shady... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Ries Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 12 hours ago, mediaslave said: So no Joe 100%? That's a shame. I gotta say (and not trying to be confrontational, please read this in a friendly tone. ) I think CGC seriously needs to start a program of vetting pressers to do SS books. It makes zero sense that a CGC authorized witness (store or whatever) can crack a book to get a signature added, but a presser can't crack it to squish it. Whats the difference? Cracked is cracked. CCS doesn't do the best job compared to some of the other guys out there, and the timeline is kinda bonkers. From an outsider view, a number of CGC's latest moves could come across as quite unfriendly and no-quite-predatory-but-definitely-self-serving, such as shrinking the dealer discount and the short timeframe for the price rise. Opening up some pressers as SS options would be a friendly not to the collecting community to show them CGC isn't just abusing a position of (current) dominance. Oh and graders notes for 9.6 and below. Haha! I really love this reply. Like when Sheldon asked Penny if she had recently suffered a blow to the head while smiling to make it more palatable. CGC isn't going to let feet in the door if they can help it. They will overload themselves with submissions and peripheral tasks, ruin peoples property, deny responsibility and tell you to like it. Let's watch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediaslave Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Fisionbomb said: Personally I'd love to have a ton of pressers available to crack/re-submit, but from a standpoint of keeping SS 100% legit, it's the right decision to only allow an associated company (CCS, through previous receiving by CGC) to handle this. Joe is legit, but almost anyone could be swayed by the right amount cash to start getting shady... OK, so how is that any different than the CGC authorized shops that can crack SS books to add another signature? Cracked is cracked, reason doesn't really matter. If CGC can vet witnesses, they can vet pressers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisionbomb Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 9 hours ago, mediaslave said: OK, so how is that any different than the CGC authorized shops that can crack SS books to add another signature? It isn't any different, this also lowers the integrity of SS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan. Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Fisionbomb said: It isn't any different, this also lowers the integrity of SS. Using agents sworn to signed confidentiality and obligation agreements is a completely normal practice for pretty much every business. greggy and Scoobydiesel 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediaslave Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 6 hours ago, Fisionbomb said: It isn't any different, this also lowers the integrity of SS. I disagree entirely. Authorized witnesses have been vetted and sign an agreement to maintain the integrity of the signatures. This would be no different for pressers. Book never leaves their sight, sent over immediately etc...all the same rules. Scoobydiesel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post joeypost Posted May 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 7, 2021 On 5/5/2021 at 8:12 PM, Fisionbomb said: Personally I'd love to have a ton of pressers available to crack/re-submit, but from a standpoint of keeping SS 100% legit, it's the right decision to only allow an associated company (CCS, through previous receiving by CGC) to handle this. Joe is legit, but almost anyone could be swayed by the right amount cash to start getting shady... Joe cannot be bought. greggy, Nazirite, steveinthecity and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iae21 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 On 5/5/2021 at 9:16 AM, Jennifer F. said: Hello, I have heard back from our Director and he advised that Joe at CFP was allowed in the past due to a deal we had with him at the time. But that has since changed and it is no longer accepted. Our Director has advised that is no longer listed on the FAQ at CFP. I'm sorry for any confusion. Thanks! So @joeypost , based on what CGC is now saying, what about Signature Series books currently in your possession? Or is this for any Sig Series books received after a certain date? Joe has been around for years and is a trustworthy individual. And no, not all people can be bought for any price....there are people with morals or strong belief systems that will never change. I'm a bit surprised though at the sudden change in CGC....Im curious as to why? Care to fill us in Joe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypost Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, iae21 said: So @joeypost , based on what CGC is now saying, what about Signature Series books currently in your possession? Or is this for any Sig Series books received after a certain date? Joe has been around for years and is a trustworthy individual. And no, not all people can be bought for any price....there are people with morals or strong belief systems that will never change. I'm a bit surprised though at the sudden change in CGC....Im curious as to why? Care to fill us in Joe? That is a question I cannot answer. greggy and onlyweaknesskryptonite 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iae21 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 2 hours ago, joeypost said: That is a question I cannot answer. @Jennifer F. Can you please enlighten us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypost Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 39 minutes ago, iae21 said: @Jennifer F. Can you please enlighten us? Why would you need enlightenment? It's CGC's business. It's their Signature Series Program. They never, ever HAD to allow others to work on SS books, yet they did. Personally, after they acquired CCS, I was surprised to last as long as I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...