Label Modifications

[nik]

Waiting anxiously for the PGX announcement stating similar changes.....

 

If they're smart....they won't do a dang thing in response to this.

 

With all they crazyness going on lately with CGC slabs, this new move is a backwards move in re-establishing their credibility in the collector marketplace.

 

I shake my head in disbelief, and I honestly think that if PGX steps up a little more in their services they will eventually surpass CGC and their roles will be reversed.

[goldust40]

Frankly conservation and restoration are not two mutually exclusive terms. At what point does sealing a spine tear (conservation) become sealing two halves of a cover back together (restoration)?

 

And has adequate research been made into deacidification? Either way the book is not going to magically return to its' original state because of this process.

 

The point about deacidification being necessary in light of preserving comics as they are not meant to last in excess of 50 years, is a little disingenuous. Comics can remain in their original state through careful storage.

 

It's interesting that such distinctions between "restoration" and "conservation" should be made now - I am aware that some Forumites were keen on the move towards a resto scale and doing away with the PLOD, but no-one mentioned separating "bad" resto from "good".

 

I am not against conservation. But to imply that it is not restoration in any way is manipulative. The proposed changes will result in loss of confidence in the market as it is an unnecessary complication.

 

And as for the opportunity for bad ebay sellers to alter scans - remember that's the venue where most CGC books are sold.

 

As I said in an earlier thread, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[krazykat-migration]

Guess CGC wants all the $$$$ that'll accrue as a consequence of all the owners of PLOD's getting their books reslabbed,...working under the presumption that this will resurrect the PLOD market.

 

KK

[Sal]

Lastly, GET RID OF QUALIFIED LABELS AND GRADE THE BOOK WHAT IT SHOULD BE. Qualified labels are nothing more than bookends holding up the good stuff in between. They only good thing they are used for is to line the outside of the boxes in case they get crushed.

 

 

[themegoguy]

So is it BLOD now?

[Sal]

So is it BLOD now?

 

actually, it's BLUD...Blue Label of Uncertain Designation

[Red Hook]

I'd still like to be able to request a Slab Classic when i submit.

[Norrin_Radd]

Ever since these annoucements were made awhile ago, has anyone stood up and said, "Hey, CGC, great idea! Keep up the good work!"? Anyone? Bueller?

 

Povertyrow and Timely were the chief proponents of getting rid of the PLOD and using a scale to denote the level of restoration.

 

As a collector, it sounds like a good idea. But in reality, CGC has apparently discounted just how sleazy some sellers in this hobby are. This label modification will likely do more harm than good as rubes are suckered into buying Blue Label CGC books thinking they are unrestored that are actually PLODs.

 

[DKB]

Ever since these annoucements were made awhile ago, has anyone stood up and said, "Hey, CGC, great idea! Keep up the good work!"? Anyone? Bueller?

 

Povertyrow and Timely were the chief proponents of getting rid of the PLOD and using a scale to denote the level of restoration.

 

 

What's wrong with keeping the PLOD...and using a scale to denote the level of restoration?

[Norrin_Radd]

Ever since these annoucements were made awhile ago, has anyone stood up and said, "Hey, CGC, great idea! Keep up the good work!"? Anyone? Bueller?

 

Povertyrow and Timely were the chief proponents of getting rid of the PLOD and using a scale to denote the level of restoration.

 

 

What's wrong with keeping the PLOD...and using a scale to denote the level of restoration?

 

That purple label scares off buyers.

[Sal]

Ever since these annoucements were made awhile ago, has anyone stood up and said, "Hey, CGC, great idea! Keep up the good work!"? Anyone? Bueller?

 

Povertyrow and Timely were the chief proponents of getting rid of the PLOD and using a scale to denote the level of restoration.

 

 

What's wrong with keeping the PLOD...and using a scale to denote the level of restoration?

 

Dude, please read the following;

 

Why is a Blue label better than a Purple?

Purple Restored vs. Blue Apparent?

 

the answers you seek are within

[joe_collector]

This is even worse than I imagined, and I cannot believe that CGC would make this type of move. Unbelieveable, and for the first time in awhile, I am at a loss for words.

[FFB]

Ever since these annoucements were made awhile ago, has anyone stood up and said, "Hey, CGC, great idea! Keep up the good work!"? Anyone? Bueller?

 

I like the idea but the execution here is all wrong. I am confused as hell by all of this and I already had a pretty good understanding of restoration before I saw the new labels. I'll be emailing my thoughts to CGC. Hopefully I'll be able to get to it before I have to leave on my honeymoon.

[Point Five]

Wow, deeply disappointed and bewildered with these proposed changes. I will take a day or two to digest them, and then send along my comments.

 

Troops, please do note that Scott Schecter has asked for us to email him regarding the proposed changes. (I would hate for everyone just to post their comments here, and for CGC to then be able to claim that they didn't receive any negative feedback!)

[Sal]

Ever since these annoucements were made awhile ago, has anyone stood up and said, "Hey, CGC, great idea! Keep up the good work!"? Anyone? Bueller?

 

Povertyrow and Timely were the chief proponents of getting rid of the PLOD and using a scale to denote the level of restoration.

 

As a collector, it sounds like a good idea. But in reality, CGC has apparently discounted just how sleazy some sellers in this hobby are. This label modification will likely do more harm than good as rubes are suckered into buying Blue Label CGC books thinking they are unrestored that are actually PLODs.

 

 

with respect to this complaint, i did some research...found a book on eBay that isn't the largest scan in the world, and stuck on a new Apparent Restored label, just to see how obvious it was;

 

ORIGINAL:

 

ALTERED:

 

 

realistically, unless someone has a postage stamp-sized image, ain't no one going to be fooled by the label. and if someone buys a book without looking at it, then they get what they deserve.

 

 

 

 

i still think this whole thing is a mistake, by the way, but we will have to see if it bites CGC or not

[Norrin_Radd]

Interesting work, Sal.

 

But if the knowledgeable members of this board are confused on what exactly these labels mean. What chance does the run-of-the-mill collector have?

[joe_collector]

i still think this whole thing is a mistake, by the way, but we will have to see if it bites CGC or not

 

There's one positive about it - I won't be buying another CGC comic as long as I live (and selling what I don't break out), so I'll be flush for raw books into the next century.

 

This is an error of monumental proportions, and even the dealers who created and pushed for this monstrosity must be shaking their heads.

[DarrenSmith]

I know CGC has thrown the 'grading' business in the trash can to pursue the business of 'comic restoration' but to put "TAPE" on the numerical label to stop all those scam artists from putting tape on the covers of their pressed comics is absurd. Put PRESSED on the numerical label to prevent this type of scam from occuring. Not tape.

[UnDeadChihuahua-migration]

"All the feedback thus far received from dealers and collectors has been very positive. "

 

I've only been here a short time, but I know that I have read many posts over the past couple of weeks that were against getting rid of the purple label.

[supapimp]

i don't think it's a big deal, CGC should of started the labels this way to begin with instead of the red, blue, purple, & green label of designation. people need to go out and take a breath of fresh air, drink some coffee, smell some damn roses instead of being pent up in cyber space all day. just my two bills.