Popular Post woowoo Posted March 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 Randall Dowling, Tri-Color Brian, Timely and 9 others 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 That was a fun watch. I’d never actually seen footage of those guys before. Thanks woowoo! Primetime, woowoo and Professor K 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LDarkseid1 Posted March 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 7:17 PM, woowoo said: My guys. woowoo, comicjack, Weird and 10 others 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Five Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Loved this. Thanks for sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) I would love to know if that Superman 1 cover sketch is still around. Edited March 11, 2022 by woowoo The humble Watcher lurking and LDarkseid1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 9:44 PM, LDarkseid1 said: My guys. I love it. I was going to buy Action comics 4 long ago with both sigs was 50 bucks short on the high bid and it was cheap. I would love to see more pics of your book. sfcityduck, Larryw7 and LDarkseid1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 On 3/11/2022 at 7:38 AM, woowoo said: I love it. I was going to buy Action comics 4 long ago with both sigs was 50 bucks short on the high bid and it was cheap. I would love to see more pics of your book. Oh man, I wish I had like an actual early issue with both their sigs, that would be nuts! Mine's just the Superman 1 treasury edition from 74. It has a COA signed by Richard Kyle and Jerry Siegel's wife which is kinda of cool. I think there's one for sale on Ebay. They did 250 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 On 3/11/2022 at 11:26 AM, LDarkseid1 said: Oh man, I wish I had like an actual early issue with both their sigs, that would be nuts! Mine's just the Superman 1 treasury edition from 74. It has a COA signed by Richard Kyle and Jerry Siegel's wife which is kinda of cool. I think there's one for sale on Ebay. They did 250 of them. The price Superman Treasury Edition #1 C-61 Signed Jerry Siegel COA 91/176 Rare | eBay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) On 3/11/2022 at 11:50 AM, woowoo said: The price Superman Treasury Edition #1 C-61 Signed Jerry Siegel COA 91/176 Rare | eBay No mine’s this one. I’ve seen my version sell for about $500-$1K, around 2 years or so ago. Not sure about that single signed one. That’s probably priced a bit high though, yeah. But they do have best offer 🤷♂️. Edited March 11, 2022 by LDarkseid1 Mmehdy and sfcityduck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 On 3/11/2022 at 11:53 AM, LDarkseid1 said: No mine’s this one. I’ve seen my version sell for about $500-$1K, around 2 years or so ago. Not sure about that single signed one. That’s probably priced a bit high though, yeah. But they do have best offer 🤷♂️. But it only has one sig and can never be as cool as yours LDarkseid1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post mwotka Posted March 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2022 Great clip of them. I knew Joe's eyes were bad but I really feel for him after seeing this, he has coke bottle glasses and can barely open his eyes. Must've been so hard to make a living with your art and not be able to see to draw. Still ticks me off the way DC/Warner treated them. Here is a pic of my Joe Shuster sig from Detective 7. Bronty, Larryw7, KCOComics and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCOComics Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 I did not know that Joanne Siegal was the model for Lois Lane! Thank you for posting. woowoo, Point Five and The humble Watcher lurking 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woowoo Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share Posted March 13, 2022 On 3/12/2022 at 6:06 PM, KCOComics said: I did not know that Joanne Siegal was the model for Lois Lane! Thank you for posting. The humble Watcher lurking, KCOComics and onlyweaknesskryptonite 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnando Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 The very end, where the production of a Superman comic is shown, is my favorite. Hand lettering, hand coloring with a watercolor brush, laying out the cover with glued on pieces, ... KCOComics, woowoo and The humble Watcher lurking 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastEnd1 Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 Wow, that was fantastic... had never seen video of those two either... thanks for sharing! Reminds us that despite his status among today's comic fans, there is no more iconic hero than Superman... that big letter "S" is instantly recognizable in every country on earth. Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aardvark88 Posted September 23, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2023 On 3/13/2022 at 3:21 PM, EastEnd1 said: there is no more iconic hero than Superman... that big letter "S" is instantly recognizable in every country on earth. Siegel and Shuster with WW II patriotic war poster art of Superman #17. Pic compliments of Bob Beerbohm's FB page. The humble Watcher lurking, plady69, sfcityduck and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor K Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) Nice video, I had never seen that one. They did mention that both men settled for 25,000 a year at some point. A question I once considered starting a thread on was do you all think DC (I'm pretty sure it would have personally been Donenfeld and Liebowitz) really screw over Joe and Jerry? Did D and L really know or have any clue how successful Superman would be when they cut the deal? I've read all this on wiki pedia a few times and no matter how I try I get lost at the end. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_lawsuits_by_Superman's_creators A few parts of all that does say that DC agreed to pay then 94,000 each in 1948 but seems there were some shenanigans in the courts and they never got it. It says they were together paid 400,000 from 1938 to 1947. That's a lot. Not sure if it's true. The wiki entry states many offers and settlements but I have no idea if they were ever paid, such as "On October 16, 2001, Warner made an offer. Warner offered a payment of $3 million, an annual stipend of $500,000, a 6% royalty of Superman and a 1% royalty of his publications, and full medical benefits. Warner also agreed to insert the line "By Special Arrangement with the Jerry Siegel Family" in all future Superman productions.[32] The Siegel heirs accepted this offer in an October 19 letter released by their lawyer, Kevin Marks" . That last one sounds like a pretty good deal for the Seigels. So many lawsuits over the years. Anyone know what both families ever got over the years? What they get today if anything? Basically how did this end? Edited September 23, 2023 by Professor K grammar correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCOComics Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) On 9/23/2023 at 7:02 PM, Professor K said: Nice video, I had never seen that one. They did mention that both men settled for 25,000 a year at some point. A question I once considered starting a thread on was do you all think DC (I'm pretty sure it would have personally been Donenfeld and Liebowitz) really screw over Joe and Jerry? Did D and L really know or have any clue how successful Superman would be when they cut the deal? I've read all this on wiki pedia a few times and no matter how I try I get lost at the end. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_lawsuits_by_Superman's_creators A few parts of all that does say that DC agreed to pay then 94,000 each in 1948 but seems there were some shenanigans in the courts and they never got it. It says they were together paid 400,000 from 1938 to 1947. That's a lot. Not sure if it's true. The wiki entry states many offers and settlements but I have no idea if they were ever paid, such as "On October 16, 2001, Warner made an offer. Warner offered a payment of $3 million, an annual stipend of $500,000, a 6% royalty of Superman and a 1% royalty of his publications, and full medical benefits. Warner also agreed to insert the line "By Special Arrangement with the Jerry Siegel Family" in all future Superman productions.[32] The Siegel heirs accepted this offer in an October 19 letter released by their lawyer, Kevin Marks" . That last one sounds like a pretty good deal for the Seigels. So many lawsuits over the years. Anyone know what both families ever got over the years? What they get today if anything? Basically how did this I'm struggling with this as well. My perception has always been that they got screwed. Neal Adam's used them as the poster child when he advocated for creators in the 70s and I can't imagine that came out of nowhere? Reading through the wiki page, a few things stood out. They were paid $130 collectively for Action Comics #1 and a 5% royalty for Superman proceeds. And the judge (in 1948) determined those proceeds should include radio and merchandise. If that 5% royalty translated to the $400k ($7.1M each adjusted for inflation) between 1939 and 1948, that seems like a pretty reasonable sum. But I've never heard or seen any evidence that they were compensated that well. The narrative has always been they were near broke at times because DC screwed them. Their story was a cautionary tale. And I don't think they would sue in 1948 if they were making the equivalent of millions for Superman. They reached a settlement in 1948 for $94k each (over $1M adjusted for inflation) which is a nice sum of money, but Superman was an icon at that point. A radio show, a TV show, on every lunch box and in every newspaper. So if the $94k was all they got, plus normal wages ($10 per page or whatever) I would say they got screwed until the 2000s when their heirs were made whole. I would love for someone with more knowledge to weigh in. My belief is, they were unfairly compensated which lead Seigal to work for Marvel out of necessity in the early 60s. When the movies came out in the 70s, Adam's and others rallied around them and they got a "small stipend" to go away. And both men died without seeing the proceeds they deserved, though their heirs did. Edited September 24, 2023 by KCOComics Professor K and aardvark88 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50YrsCollctngCmcs Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 It would be great if someone wrote a factual history of this without emotion getting in the way. A recounting of the various suits and settlements but also a real hard look at how these guys dealt with the money they did receive would be fascinating. It seems like the money was never enough or it was not invested wisely or otherwise squandered away. It's hard to say what really happened but the old maxim, "Save for a rainy day!" comes to mind. KCOComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
