Jesse-Lee Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 (edited) Just won a Batman 232, finally - I've been watching for a decent enough price on this book, and I actually was hoping to get it in a 6.5 because I have a couple of other Batman/Neal Adams keys in a 6.5. I literally just won the auction less than an hour ago, so I obviously don't have the book in hand yet. But I do have the listing picture, and I was just curious - does this book look like a case of color touch removed? I ask because the main flaws in the book look like divots in the black line that runs down the spine, which is consistent with other books I've see where there was color touch removed. And the black line spine is a common color touch area on this and other books. I don't care at all if it is - I know I bought a 6.5 and I'm actually happy overall how the book presents in that grade. I'm really just more curious than anything if people who know better than I can tell if it looks like a color touch removed copy. Here's the book: And here the spine: Edited July 4, 2022 by Jesse-Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendelbo Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Looks sus. I'm not seeing any other 6.5s of this book that look like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D84 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 I'd say probably, but would have to crack it and examine the book closely to know for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Dositheus Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 The breaks above the staple don't appear to extend into the color like a normal spine tick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 Looks like resto-removal to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Completely reasonable suspicion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Yes, this is exactly what I'd expect to see... grendelbo, Msgarmar, silverseeker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeypost Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 On 7/5/2022 at 12:06 PM, The Lions Den said: Yes, this is exactly what I'd expect to see... The Lions Den, silverseeker and Randall Dowling 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse-Lee Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 Thanks all! If there's any interest, I can post a closer pic when I get the book in-hand. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin76 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 definitely a CT removal The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PovertyRow Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 Indeed CT removal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse-Lee Posted July 8, 2022 Author Share Posted July 8, 2022 Definitely a CTR copy - book looks really nice aside from that issue, which is obviously why it's a 6.5. Now that I have it in hand, I'm still 100% happy with my purchase, and that I now have matched-grade copies of Bats 232, 244 and 251. steveinthecity, grendelbo and Pantodude 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahmams34 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyTown Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 On 7/7/2022 at 11:41 AM, PovertyRow said: Indeed CT removal! On 7/5/2022 at 4:19 PM, Kevin76 said: definitely a CT removal On 7/5/2022 at 11:06 AM, The Lions Den said: Yes, this is exactly what I'd expect to see... What action was actually performed here and can it only succeed when no bleed-through is present? Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse-Lee Posted July 11, 2022 Author Share Posted July 11, 2022 On 7/11/2022 at 2:10 PM, KirbyTown said: What action was actually performed here and can it only succeed when no bleed-through is present? Thanks, Others have much more experience and can answer better, but my understanding in a case like this is that the CT-affected area is basically "scraped" away until the CT is no longer present. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 On 7/11/2022 at 3:10 PM, KirbyTown said: What action was actually performed here and can it only succeed when no bleed-through is present? Thanks, I believe that in this case the CT was amateur, and did bleed through. I’m thinking there’s a small hole through the cover now. The Lions Den and Jesse-Lee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 On 7/11/2022 at 3:10 PM, KirbyTown said: What action was actually performed here, and can it only succeed when no bleed-through is present? Thanks, From what I've seen, the removal is often performed with a tool that looks like a dental pick, and the level of "success" is in the eye of the beholder. And while this particular example isn't as traumatizing as some of the resto removal jobs I've seen, it's still an invasive process that causes permanent damage to the paper, regardless of bleed through... Jesse-Lee and grendelbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyTown Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) Thanks for the responses! I should clarify that by success I meant receiving a blue label for the destructive work rather than a restored label. I assumed that any remaining bleed would still communicate intent to a grader, which seems to be the difference between color touch and merely a bit of marker on the cover. Edited July 12, 2022 by KirbyTown meant restored label, not qualified The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/11/2022 at 10:09 PM, KirbyTown said: Thanks for the responses! I should clarify that by success I meant receiving a blue label for the destructive work rather than a restored label. I assumed that any remaining bleed would still communicate intent to a grader, which seems to be the difference between color touch and merely a bit of marker on the cover. You're correct in using the word "intent" to describe the difference...that's actually what the whole thing hinges upon... grendelbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
