SpineTic Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 CGC has given a 77-year old comic book a 9.9 grade - how is this possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 There are even older books that have received a 9.9. Rip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpineTic Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 10:58 AM, tth2 said: There are even older books that have received a 9.9. Where these book hidden in a safe since printing? sfcityduck and Rip 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 11:00 AM, ak47po said: Where these book hidden in a safe since printing? Basement closet. https://www.cgccomics.com/resources/pedigree/edgar-church-mile-high/ sfcityduck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) On 9/13/2022 at 7:52 AM, ak47po said: CGC has given a 77-year old comic book a 9.9 grade - how is this possible? Don't forget, it's a double cover so that helped out since the interior cover would see less wear. But as others have stated, there are older 9.9's. It can happen. I believe there's one golden age 10.0, maybe older than this book. Just looking at the outer 9.8 cover of this Cap Marvel Jr. 29, honestly even that looks super minty. It looks like this was graded back in 2000 by the way, beginning year of CGC. Edited September 13, 2022 by LDarkseid1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MasterChief Posted September 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) On 9/13/2022 at 4:52 AM, ak47po said: CGC has given a 77-year old comic book a 9.9 grade - how is this possible? Those self-proclaimed “nerds” make it sound like the Captain Marvel Jr. was graded yesterday by CGC. It wasn’t. It was graded over 20 years ago. I don’t remember them debating the assigned grade back in the day on the boards. Perhaps they did. But today, having been made aware of the book’s grade by an email question, they claim the assigned grade is a “CGC agenda driven news story.” The CMJ#29 is not the only 9.9 to come out of the Church collection. There are at least 2 others. And they were graded over 20 years ago, too... Edited September 13, 2022 by MasterChief LDarkseid1, buttock, adamstrange and 10 others 5 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 11:48 AM, MasterChief said: Those self-proclaimed “nerds” make it sound like the Captain Marvel Jr. was graded yesterday by CGC. It wasn’t. It was graded over 20 years ago. I don’t remember them debating the assigned grade back in the day on the boards. Perhaps they did. But today, having been made aware of the book’s grade by an email question, they claim the assigned grade is a “CGC agenda driven news story.” The CMJ#29 is not the only 9.9 to come out of the Church collection. There are at least 2 others. And they were graded over 20 years ago, too... You tell those nerds MasterChief!! tth2 and MasterChief 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Yeah, that video is the blind leading the blind. Never heard of MH? Sad. But what can you expect from an "expert" whose carefully constructed background to enhance his credibilty has no GA books and an FF 1 reprint on the wall? Apparently, a whine that not every modern comic that get printed is a 9.8 off the press. MasterChief, Sauce Dog, LDarkseid1 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Sadly, I watched a few minutes of the video. They are familiar with CGC's modern grading standards and assume that those apply to GA. They are far from the first to be so puzzled. Many collectors do not believe that standards should vary at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanCooper Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Always good to re-post Valiantman's/Greg's tremendous research list of CGC 9.9/10 data whenever one of these "in the wilds" 9.9/10s come up in conversations like this: http://cgcdata.com/cgc/cgc99/ MasterChief, LDarkseid1, tth2 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 1:13 PM, sfcityduck said: Yeah, that video is the blind leading the blind. Never heard of MH? Sad. But what can you expect from an "expert" whose carefully constructed background to enhance his credibilty has no GA books and an FF 1 reprint on the wall? Apparently, a whine that not every modern comic that get printed is a 9.8 off the press. That's why I can't stand a lot of these comic book content related youtubers. There's a BUNCH of them out there and they all promote themselves as experts, but are truthfully much less experienced than they realize. IngelsFan, MasterChief and buttock 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 2:10 PM, DanCooper said: Always good to re-post Valiantman's/Greg's tremendous research list of CGC 9.9/10 data whenever one of these "in the wilds" 9.9/10s come up in conversations like this: http://cgcdata.com/cgc/cgc99/ Are you the real D.B.? aardvark88 and DanCooper 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanCooper Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 5:11 PM, LDarkseid1 said: Are you the real D.B.? Yes, I've been called a real Dumb B****** many, many times in my life! LDarkseid1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 11:48 AM, MasterChief said: Those self-proclaimed “nerds” make it sound like the Captain Marvel Jr. was graded yesterday by CGC. It wasn’t. It was graded over 20 years ago. Are you saying this was before Heritage's arrival on the comic book market scene and also before CGC's ever evolving and fine-tuning of their undisclosed grading standards over the years? Interesting to note that every single one of the highest graded SA Marvel #1 or first appearance keys (save for about 2 of them now) were all graded way back in CGC's first year or so of operations over 20 years ago and have not been surpassed to this date yet. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lou_fine Posted September 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) On 9/13/2022 at 2:42 PM, Hey!! said: On 9/13/2022 at 11:27 AM, LDarkseid1 said: It looks like this was graded back in 2000 by the way, beginning year of CGC Not with that label it wasn't. They must've risked a reholder! Looks like you would be wrong here as it was graded way back on November 14 of 2000: CGC Cert # 0008334004 Title Captain Marvel Jr. Issue 29 Issue Date 4/45 Issue Year 1945 Publisher Fawcett Publications Grade 9.9 Page Quality OFF-WHITE TO WHITE Grade Date 11/14/2000 Grade Category Universal Pedigree Edgar Church (Mile High) Label Text Double Cover. 1st cover 9.8. 2nd cover 9.9. Grader Notes Front Cover ShadowRight Bottom Front Cover CreaseTop Back Cover Small Crunch With those last 2 defects listed in their Graders Notes though, I very much highly doubt this book would grade out as a CGC 9.9 copy if regraded today with CGC's current condition-centric focus targeting additional revenue generating defects like creases and fixabale bumps whenever possible. Edited September 13, 2022 by lou_fine jcjames, The Lions Den, MasterChief and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcityduck Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 2:11 PM, LDarkseid1 said: Are you the real D.B.? You should see his collection! All purchased in the early 1970s when prices were cheap and $200K went a loooong way towards building a collection. The Lions Den, DanCooper, tth2 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D84 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 5:09 PM, lou_fine said: Looks like you would be wrong here as it was graded way back on November 14 of 2000: CGC Cert # 0008334004 Title Captain Marvel Jr. Issue 29 Issue Date 4/45 Issue Year 1945 Publisher Fawcett Publications Grade 9.9 Page Quality OFF-WHITE TO WHITE Grade Date 11/14/2000 Grade Category Universal Pedigree Edgar Church (Mile High) Label Text Double Cover. 1st cover 9.8. 2nd cover 9.9. Grader Notes Front Cover ShadowRight Bottom Front Cover CreaseTop Back Cover Small Crunch With those last 2 defects listed in their Graders Notes though, I very much highly doubt this book would grade out as a CGC 9.9 copy if regraded today with CGC's current condition-centric focus targeting additional revenue generating defects like creases and fixabale bumps whenever possible. So it's a 9.2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterChief Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 12:02 PM, lou_fine said: Are you saying this was before Heritage's arrival on the comic book market scene and also before CGC's ever evolving and fine-tuning of their undisclosed grading standards over the years? Kinda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 2:21 PM, DanCooper said: Yes, I've been called a real Dumb B****** many, many times in my life! One day I will solve that crime!! DanCooper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 4:17 PM, Hey!! said: I never said it wasn't graded in 2000, but they didn't use that type of label in 2000. Reholders retain their original grade date No I know it was reholdered, but the original grade was back in 2000, and yeah, clearly someone decided to gamble and reholder between then. Grade date doesn't change though. Hey!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
