Shags13 Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 So I got a DD7 graded a while back. Green label. Missing page 14. Sigh. Got another one, checked for page 14. It was there. Sent it in, green label. Missing page 14. Cracked it to make sure I wasn’t crazy. It’s there. Is there a pin up I’m missing? Notice the distinct dent in the side that really ID’s this book. Anyone have a raw copy that they can shed some light on this for me?? I’m going crazy. Thank you sooooo much!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowGradeBronze Posted September 18, 2022 Share Posted September 18, 2022 (edited) Yes, you have all the numbered story pages but in terms of the actual wraps one must be missing! There should be a DD pinup page. https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?q=daredevil+7&pubid=&PubRng= Edited September 18, 2022 by LowGradeBronze KCOComics and namisgr 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shags13 Posted September 18, 2022 Author Share Posted September 18, 2022 Submariner. Such a bummer. Thank you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garystar Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 (edited) As Lowgradebronze says above you are probably missing the 14th page (of 16); Edited September 19, 2022 by Garystar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shags13 Posted September 19, 2022 Author Share Posted September 19, 2022 On 9/19/2022 at 7:48 AM, Garystar said: As Lowgradebronze says above you are probably missing the 14th page (of 16); That’s it. I’m def missing that. KirbyJack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straw-Man Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 well, hell. sorry, that's a doggone shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 There should be 9 sheets of paper on either side of the staples. One cover on the outside, and 8 interior. As there are two sides (pages) to each sheet, that gives a total of 36 pages. I open the comic, and count to eight on both sides (I skip the obvious cover). I submitted a book that was missing a page. Never again! Shags13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvelmaniac Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 Technically CGC is incorrect on the number of the "missing page" and their statement on the page number that is missing is very confusing and they should know better, they should have stated that the "pinup page" was missing. When counting comic book pages the outside front cover is page 1, the inside front cover is page 2, and so on, each individual page is actually 2 pages, front and backside = 2 pages. Even if you skipped the cover and went by actual page number they would still be incorrect on the missing page number, what they did was start with page 1 of the story and count each page as 1 page which makes the pinup page 14, the pinup is the page after the end of the story. According to CGC's logic the D.D. 7 only has 16 pages. From MCS on D.D. 7 "36 pages, full color." Actual/True Page 14 (Counting the Covers) Page 14 by Actual Page Number Page 14 According To CGC Which Is Actually Page 28. Shags13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexinnih Posted September 20, 2022 Share Posted September 20, 2022 My DD#7, Green Lable 4.5, is noted as missing Page "11." Must have been some popular pages to pull out in this book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shags13 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 On 9/20/2022 at 12:36 PM, marvelmaniac said: Technically CGC is incorrect on the number of the "missing page" and their statement on the page number that is missing is very confusing and they should know better, they should have stated that the "pinup page" was missing. When counting comic book pages the outside front cover is page 1, the inside front cover is page 2, and so on, each individual page is actually 2 pages, front and backside = 2 pages. Even if you skipped the cover and went by actual page number they would still be incorrect on the missing page number, what they did was start with page 1 of the story and count each page as 1 page which makes the pinup page 14, the pinup is the page after the end of the story. According to CGC's logic the D.D. 7 only has 16 pages. From MCS on D.D. 7 "36 pages, full color." Actual/True Page 14 (Counting the Covers) Page 14 by Actual Page Number Page 14 According To CGC Which Is Actually Page 28. So your centerfold still looks like this?? the pinup is towards the back of the book? So bizarre… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvelmaniac Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Yes, the pinup page is towards the back of the book, it is actually the page just after the end of the story, the front of that page is an ad page, the pinup is on the other side of the ad page. Yes, my centerfold is the same as yours. Shags13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shags13 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 Thank you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 As far as I know, CGC has always counted pages that way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvelmaniac Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 (edited) On 9/23/2022 at 11:58 AM, The Lions Den said: As far as I know, CGC has always counted pages that way... If that is true then I guess everybody else is wrong? I feel CGC make things up as they go along and they are not transparent in what they do, (My Opinion Only) but it makes for good comic book back and forth discussion, however, why does everyone accept everything CGC does and says as gospel, you realize they are human just like the rest of us which means..."Not Perfect, Makes Mistakes, Can be Wrong" Nowhere am I able to find anything that supports CGC's page count theory of both sides = 1 page, (which is the theory they used on the D.D. 7 label) also a "wrap" is technically 4 pages. From MyComicShop...(bottom row shows how many pages are in D.D. 7 from Apr. 1965) "In Mortal Combat with Sub-Mariner!" Written by Stan Lee. Art and cover by Wally Wood. Namor hires Franklin and Murdock to sue the human race on his behalf. When this doesn't work, he gets himself arrested so he can have his day in court. Realizing humanity won't listen, the Sub-Mariner goes on a rampage which brings Daredevil into the (hopeless) fray. Namor returns to the sea out of respect for DD and to stop Krang from taking over Atlantis. Sub-Mariner/Daredevil pin-up by Wood. Note: First appearance of Daredevil's red costume. 36 pages, full color. Cover price $0.12. https://chilkibopublishing.com/how-many-pages-are-in-a-comic-book/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/342798-when-counting-pages-of-a-comic-book-do-you-also-count-the-covers/ https://www.cbr.com/marvel-comics-how-many-pages-long/ https://comicbento.com/how-many-pages-are-in-a-comic-book/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/335782-what-is-a-wrap-and-a-centerfold-for-comic-books/ https://docs.comics.org/wiki/Page_Count Edited September 23, 2022 by marvelmaniac The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 On 9/23/2022 at 1:38 PM, marvelmaniac said: If that is true then I guess everybody else is wrong? I feel CGC make things up as they go along and they are not transparent in what they do, (My Opinion Only) but it makes for good comic book back and forth discussion, however, why does everyone accept everything CGC does and says as gospel, you realize they are human just like the rest of us which means..."Not Perfect, Makes Mistakes, Can be Wrong" Nowhere am I able to find anything that supports CGC's page count theory of both sides = 1 page, (which is the theory they used on the D.D. 7 label) also a "wrap" is technically 4 pages. From MyComicShop...(bottom row shows how many pages are in D.D. 7 from Apr. 1965) "In Mortal Combat with Sub-Mariner!" Written by Stan Lee. Art and cover by Wally Wood. Namor hires Franklin and Murdock to sue the human race on his behalf. When this doesn't work, he gets himself arrested so he can have his day in court. Realizing humanity won't listen, the Sub-Mariner goes on a rampage which brings Daredevil into the (hopeless) fray. Namor returns to the sea out of respect for DD and to stop Krang from taking over Atlantis. Sub-Mariner/Daredevil pin-up by Wood. Note: First appearance of Daredevil's red costume. 36 pages, full color. Cover price $0.12. https://chilkibopublishing.com/how-many-pages-are-in-a-comic-book/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/342798-when-counting-pages-of-a-comic-book-do-you-also-count-the-covers/ https://www.cbr.com/marvel-comics-how-many-pages-long/ https://comicbento.com/how-many-pages-are-in-a-comic-book/ https://boards.cgccomics.com/topic/335782-what-is-a-wrap-and-a-centerfold-for-comic-books/ https://docs.comics.org/wiki/Page_Count I accept it for what it is...just a different way of looking at it. But anyone who deals with CGC should be aware of this---I doubt they're ever going to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvelmaniac Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 On 9/23/2022 at 2:10 PM, The Lions Den said: I accept it for what it is...just a different way of looking at it. But anyone who deals with CGC should be aware of this---I doubt they're ever going to change. The problem is/was that nobody except CGC knew what the "missing page 14" was since it was not truly page 14, anybody ever call them out on this to get an explanation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 On 9/23/2022 at 2:20 PM, marvelmaniac said: The problem is/was that nobody except CGC knew what the "missing page 14" was since it was not truly page 14, anybody ever call them out on this to get an explanation? I believe this subject has been thoroughly discussed before, but there's certainly no harm in explaining it again. You've done an excellent job describing the various methods of counting pages... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Math Teacher Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 On 9/20/2022 at 10:58 AM, KirbyJack said: I submitted a book that was missing a page. Never again! I made the same mistake also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
