Stan, Jack, and Steve - The 1960's (1964) The Slow Build 5 5

[Dr. Haydn]

DD 3: a suicide in a Code-approved book!

I assume the blood in the final panel was added for the Marvel Masterworks recoloring. It would be interesting to compare this page to the original, if anyone has a copy. 

[aardvark88]

Words of inspiration from Kirby:

[Dr. Haydn]

On 12/14/2023 at 11:30 AM, aardvark88 said:

Words of inspiration from Kirby:

"Even in failure there can be nobility, but failing to try brings only shame."

Edited December 15, 2023 by Dr. Haydn
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[Dr. Haydn]

On 12/14/2023 at 5:56 AM, Prince Namor said:

ON NEWSSTANDS JUNE 1964

Daredevil #3 -

Part TWO:

The whole story reminds me of an early 60s Silver Age DC story: wordy and bland, but competently done. Perhaps that's Joe Orlando's DC-inspired story pacing at work?

[Dr. Haydn]

Just noticed that Vince C. signed the van on page 3. Did he think Stan would forget to mention him in the credits?

 

[Steven Valdez]

On 12/16/2023 at 2:22 AM, Dr. Haydn said:

The whole story reminds me of an early 60s Silver Age DC story: wordy and bland, but competently done. Perhaps that's Joe Orlando's DC-inspired story pacing at work?

Those early Daredevils really are a chore to read. Worst rogues gallery too... the Matador, the Owl, Stilt-Man...oooof!

[Prince Namor]

On 12/16/2023 at 8:47 PM, Steven Valdez said:

Those early Daredevils really are a chore to read. Worst rogues gallery too... the Matador, the Owl, Stilt-Man...oooof!

Ditko turned down Stan's idea for the Owl in Spider-man, and created the Vulture instead. Maybe Stan used DD to get some of his bad ideas in print. 

[KirbyJack]

I cannot for the life of me understand why The Owl’s costume design would include that huge red bow. That couldn’t have been cool even in 1964.

[Dr. Haydn]

On 12/16/2023 at 7:47 AM, Steven Valdez said:

Those early Daredevils really are a chore to read. Worst rogues gallery too... the Matador, the Owl, Stilt-Man...oooof!

You forgot about arguably the best of the bunch: the Purple Man!

[Steven Valdez]

On 12/17/2023 at 3:38 PM, Dr. Haydn said:

You forgot about arguably the best of the bunch: the Purple Man!

Nope! The Purple Man (as played by David Tennant) worked very well on the Netflix series!

[Steven Valdez]

 

On 12/15/2023 at 1:54 AM, Dr. Haydn said:

DD 3: a suicide in a Code-approved book!

I assume the blood in the final panel was added for the Marvel Masterworks recoloring. It would be interesting to compare this page to the original, if anyone has a copy. 

Here ya go...

[Dr. Haydn]

On 12/17/2023 at 6:21 AM, Steven Valdez said:

 

Here ya go...

Thanks!

As I suspected, no blood. No surprise there--it would have upset the kiddies (and their parents) in 1964.

[Dr. Haydn]

On 12/17/2023 at 6:15 AM, Steven Valdez said:

Nope! The Purple Man (as played by David Tennant) worked very well on the Netflix series!

A decent character with a stupid name--in the Paste Pot Pete tradition?

I wonder when "Deep Purple" became Killgrave, officially?

[Steven Valdez]

On 12/18/2023 at 1:12 AM, Dr. Haydn said:

A decent character with a stupid name--in the Paste Pot Pete tradition?

I wonder when "Deep Purple" became Killgrave, officially?

And Paste Pot Pete eventually became the Trapster, as I recall. Same 'powers' though.

[Dr. Haydn]

On 12/17/2023 at 8:15 AM, Steven Valdez said:

And Paste Pot Pete eventually became the Trapster, as I recall. Same 'powers' though.

Yup. Silver Age Marvel was often pretty good about changing course when they made a misstep.

[KirbyJack]

I'll bet Paste Pot Pete was an inside joke. Harvey Kurtzman did a character called Pot Shot Pete for Atlas some months before Strange Tales 104. He (and his costume's giant bow) was probably never intended to re-appear. 

[Steven Valdez]

On 12/19/2023 at 12:00 AM, KirbyJack said:

I'll bet Paste Pot Pete was an inside joke. Harvey Kurtzman did a character called Pot Shot Pete for Atlas some months before Strange Tales 104. He (and his costume's giant bow) was probably never intended to re-appear. 

There was a panel in FF #10 I believe where Jack comes up with a new character called False Face. Stanley vetoes it as being too corny. Lots of goofier characters got a free pass, however, as a perusal of early features such as Giant-Man, Human Torch and Daredevil reveal.

[Dr. Haydn]

On 12/18/2023 at 7:00 AM, KirbyJack said:

I'll bet Paste Pot Pete was an inside joke. Harvey Kurtzman did a character called Pot Shot Pete for Atlas some months before Strange Tales 104. He (and his costume's giant bow) was probably never intended to re-appear. 

There was also The Legend of P*ss Pot Pete. Rather bawdy, but apparently it circulated in multiple versions beginning in 1927, according to Wikisource. Jack was 10 years old then, living in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, a historically rough neighborhood. It would not surprise me if he had encountered the poem at some point in his early youth.

[Steven Valdez]

On 12/19/2023 at 4:22 PM, Dr. Haydn said:

There was also The Legend of P*ss Pot Pete. Rather bawdy, but apparently it circulated in multiple versions beginning in 1927, according to Wikisource. Jack was 10 years old then, living in the Lower East Side of Manhattan, a historically rough neighborhood. It would not surprise me if he had encountered the poem at some point in his early youth.

That looks to be right on the money. P*ss pot (meaning drunkard) is still a common expression here in Australia.

Edited December 19, 2023 by Steven Valdez

[Dr. Haydn]

On 12/18/2023 at 4:16 PM, Steven Valdez said:

There was a panel in FF #10 I believe where Jack comes up with a new character called False Face. Stanley vetoes it as being too corny. Lots of goofier characters got a free pass, however, as a perusal of early features such as Giant-Man, Human Torch and Daredevil reveal.

Stan didn't seem to notice that he was the butt of the joke. Jack did something similar a few years later, with Ego (in Thor).