CJH-69 Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Just bought online a cgc 9.6 slab with a missing piece off the back cover. I’ve sent a photo with registry number back to the submission dept Waiting to hear back. While I’m waiting, does anybody out here know if its possible to have a 9.6 book with missing pieces? or do I need to pursue this as a sealing mishap or a tampering issue? MAY1979 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lightning55 Posted November 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2023 Looks to be a gripper hole created during the manufacturing process. You don't usually see them, cut away when trimmed. They can show up if the bottom cut is lower than usual, too much of the page bottom left on, top cut usually also lower than normal. Sometimes there are multiple gripper holes. As a manufacturing defect, a gripper hole won't be counted against the grade. If this comic, or any comic, is under $500, with no case damage, there's a 99.99% chance no one has tampered with it. jokiing, The Lions Den, Randall Dowling and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokiing Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 I got a Wolverine Limited #1 back from CGC a while back that was graded 9.8 despite the piece missing on the back top corner. CGC graders confirmed that this was a manufacturing error for this particular print run. The small gripper tears are a more common manufacturer defect. The Lions Den, Gaard and MAY1979 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namisgr Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 Wow. That's a lot of missing cover. The Lions Den and MAY1979 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokiing Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 On 11/24/2023 at 11:07 AM, namisgr said: Wow. That's a lot of missing cover. Yes it is.... I was not happy with grade nor CGC's explanation MAY1979 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 On 11/23/2023 at 12:39 PM, CJH-69 said: Just bought online a cgc 9.6 slab with a missing piece off the back cover. I’ve sent a photo with registry number back to the submission dept Waiting to hear back. While I’m waiting, does anybody out here know if its possible to have a 9.6 book with missing pieces? or do I need to pursue this as a sealing mishap or a tampering issue? It's amazing what's allowable these days... KCOComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post namisgr Posted November 24, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2023 (edited) The explanation that production defects aren't counted against the grade is contradicted by the downgrading CGC gives otherwise ultra high grade Silver Age Marvels that have Marvel pre-chips and especially missing chips. As the vast majority of collectors think they should, to the best of my knowledge. An example, missing two very small chips from production but otherwise near mint or better: Edited November 24, 2023 by namisgr The Lions Den, Randall Dowling, silverseeker and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 On 11/23/2023 at 12:39 PM, CJH-69 said: While I’m waiting, does anybody out here know if its possible to have a 9.6 book with missing pieces? Small chips are allowable but it's always going to depend on the size of the chip and what the rest of the book looks like. If the book is a 9.6 before factoring in the chips, the book will likely downgrade. If the book is much nicer than a 9.6 but those two tiny chips are the only defect, then the 9.6 is a realistic grade and consistent with CGC's grading standards over the last 20 years. There a myriad of factors and it's impossible to tell without seeing the entire book...and for super high grades, seeing the book in hand is really the only way to be sure. The Lions Den and MAY1979 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY1979 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 On 11/24/2023 at 5:08 PM, VintageComics said: Small chips are allowable but it's always going to depend on the size of the chip and what the rest of the book looks like. If the book is a 9.6 before factoring in the chips, the book will likely downgrade. If the book is much nicer than a 9.6 but those two tiny chips are the only defect, then the 9.6 is a realistic grade and consistent with CGC's grading standards over the last 20 years. There a myriad of factors and it's impossible to tell without seeing the entire book...and for super high grades, seeing the book in hand is really the only way to be sure. Folks, if you can't see the back of the slab, then probably best not to purchase the book. I'm talking to you Comiclink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namisgr Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 On 11/24/2023 at 9:08 PM, MAR1979 said: Folks, if you can't see the back of the slab, then probably best not to purchase the book. I'm talking to you Comiclink! Especially if the back of a book graded 9.8 looks like this. Can't imagine anyone except the submitter will ever be happy owning it. MAY1979 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...