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[Dr. Balls]

On 3/14/2024 at 10:27 PM, szav said:

Are you saying whoever paid $4,300 for this after he "evolved his style quite a bit" didn't get a great deal?

 

 

[grendelbo]

On 3/14/2024 at 10:22 PM, RockMyAmadeus said:

 

Bingo.

[Readcomix]

Thought-provoking thread; thank you. I’m very much of two minds on Miller: the case for his impact is easy. It’s almost impossible to overstate his impact. But I didn’t get a lot of enjoyment out of much of it. But that’s me as an individual.

while he reignited Batman with DKR, I found the art hard to look at. The story of a dystopian Batman was fascinating like a train wreck. I always thought the big miss was to dismiss Superman as a caricature, a mere metaphor for Big, Bad Establishment, rather than reinvigorate him as well in the conflict of archetypes. I found Year One a lot more entertaining. 

He certainly (along with Claremont) fleshed out Wolverine and helped create the persona that moved the character to center stage, taking the X-Men from an ensemble cast to one that rode on his back. I’m not a huge fan personally of the brooding, angry anti-hero that constantly has to tell you he’s a bad@ss but I cannot deny he’s widely popular.

With Daredevil, he took a 20-plus years established character and completely rebuilt his mythos quite systematically: he borrowed and amplified Kingpin, brought back and repositioned Bullseye, retconned in two major characters into DD’s history (Elektra and Stick), turned Gladiator into a sympathetic, full character… I read it because it was new and different, but it was still fifth read in my stack each issue, behind Avengers, Iron Man, X-Men, Defenders. Again, not squarely my taste, but massively impactful on the medium.

Ronin? I still want the time back from reading that. But a lot of people liked it.

I prefer reading the bright, sunny worlds of Shooter/Perez/Marcos Avengers (or Byrne/Green), or the Michelinie/JRJR/Layton Iron Man, but Miller’s dark and gritty penchant had huge impact. 

[the blob]

On 3/14/2024 at 11:42 PM, NoMan said:

Ronin was very bad. Never got into the Sin City stuff.

But has far as the FULL ON SUCKAGE, I think there was a Batman and Robin kinda comic. Then there was the 9/11 one or something...

I really liked Ronin when it came out. It seemed groundbreaking. Of course, I was 11, so maybe not the best judge. One of these days I'll read it again.

[Dr Zen]

On 3/15/2024 at 6:29 AM, D84 said:

Just remember, you will end up one of the old people.

If you're lucky.

[jjonahjameson11]

On 3/14/2024 at 11:42 PM, NoMan said:

Ronin was very bad. Never got into the Sin City stuff.

But has far as the FULL ON SUCKAGE, I think there was a Batman and Robin kinda comic. Then there was the 9/11 one or something...

You are on crack if you think RONIN was very bad.

[NoMan]

On 3/16/2024 at 6:35 AM, jjonahjameson11 said:

You are on crack if you think RONIN was very bad.

I've smoked plenty of crack. Who knows, I may have sold my original run of Ronin to buy more crack, however, that being said, the crack-pipe was a better investment than any time or money spent with/on Ronin

Edited March 16 by NoMan

[grendelbo]

I bought the Ronin TPB like 12 years ago and I haven't been able to get past the first few pages. It's perpetually in my next-to-read pile. 

[Ken Aldred]

Posted about this before on the topic of Ronin, that at the time of its publication I was reading European material such as in Heavy Metal and not just mainstream American comics, and I felt Ronin had more in common with the former, and I didn’t mind it being so very different to Daredevil. Alternatively, later on I started reading manga, and it also (obviously) fit in well there too.

Edited March 17 by Ken Aldred

[B2D327]

On 3/15/2024 at 5:01 PM, MatterEaterLad said:

Adding a new twist was like replacing pineapple on a pizza with watermelon. It was already something that wasn't for everyone and now it's something for no one. 

Australians may beg to differ

[B2D327]

On 3/15/2024 at 12:26 AM, FlyingDonut said:

This is really quite horrible:

Ya’ know? I kinda like it (funny what a color pallet is capable of)

Comic bookie stuff can be comic bookie too every so often

[AJD]

On 3/17/2024 at 1:23 PM, B2D327 said:

Australians may beg to differ

We do not speak of it to outsiders.

[lizards2]

On 3/14/2024 at 8:02 PM, NoMan said:

WHEN DID FRANK MILLER'S ART/STORIES START TO SUCK SOOOOOOOO BAD!

Where I first noticed it was Daredevil. Ruined the series for me.

[Shadow]

I was never a big Miller fan, but did like his Daredevil run and I thought he started to slip with Dark Knight Returns. But the story compensated greatly. Where I always felt his talent laid was in the layout. Very creative.