sagii Posted Tuesday at 04:20 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:20 PM Silver Surfer and ThothAmon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted Tuesday at 05:55 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 05:55 PM On 10/15/2024 at 7:12 AM, tth2 said: On 10/15/2024 at 12:56 AM, lou_fine said: Of course, the one part that they got wrong is that Stephen Bissette says that the books would be sold uncertified and we clearly know that to be NOT the case at all. The article says "The formal certification and slabbing of comic books started in 2000 with the creation of the Certified Guaranty Company (CGC), which is also grading Farrell’s comics collection for Heritage Auctions." Yes, I saw that sentence, but the part which I was referring to was the paragraph that followed immediately after that sentence: “It makes me happy to hear that Chris’ collection is not in that state of existence,” Bissette said. “But it will also diminish the market value, in that people will bid on those comics and they will bid on them hoping on getting a copy of a given comic in good enough condition so they can slab and resell it at a higher price, so this is gonna be a highly speculative-driven auction process.” Darwination 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted Tuesday at 06:28 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:28 PM (edited) On 10/15/2024 at 8:31 AM, Yorick said: On 10/15/2024 at 12:44 AM, lou_fine said: the rarest issue in his Windex Scarcity lisitng for the All-American run I thought #2 was the toughest. That's quite possible since I was just going from sheer memory and the current CGC census would seem to confirm this with only 6 graded Universal copies for AA #2 and 9 copies for AA #7. Looks like most of the pre-GL All-American issues are realtively scarce if you go by the CGC census, with AA #4 being the rarest with only 4 graded Universal copies to date so far. Too bad my search skills on these boards are pretty much abysmal, but I am quite sure both of these issues were quite high on Win's Scarcity Index. I probably remember the AA #7 because I much prefer that cover over the typical rather yucky yellow covers which DC was generally running with at the time as evident with so many of the other early AA issues including AA #2. Not sure if Gary Carter had done up a Relative Scarcity and Demand chart for the All-American run which he had done for quite a few of the other DC titles like Adventure and Flash Comics in the early issues of his CBM magazine. Edited Tuesday at 06:34 PM by lou_fine Yorick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThothAmon Posted Tuesday at 06:31 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:31 PM On 10/10/2024 at 3:03 PM, rob_react said: Me! It was me! Lol Kudos to you for the efforts. In your quest did you ever learn why Tec 1, 2, 8,13,14 and 15 weren’t in the collection? I own the 6 and my understanding was this book was a back issue picked up after Edgar began collecting and am very curious as to why those other specific issues are missing. 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_react Posted Tuesday at 07:30 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:30 PM On 10/15/2024 at 2:31 PM, ThothAmon said: Kudos to you for the efforts. In your quest did you ever learn why Tec 1, 2, 8,13,14 and 15 weren’t in the collection? I own the 6 and my understanding was this book was a back issue picked up after Edgar began collecting and am very curious as to why those other specific issues are missing. 🤔 Thanks for this question as I can update the list with some new issues that weren't included when I released it and CGC grades for a bunch of books. There is a #1. It changed hands in 1996 in a $150,000 trade deal. It was reported in Overstreet 27. I believe it was also a back issue (it's mid grade- VG/FN) #8 is CGC 8.0 https://comics.ha.com/itm/platinum-age-1897-1937-/miscellaneous/detective-comics-8-mile-high-pedigree-dc-1937-cgc-vf-80-off-white-pages/a/7169-91026.s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamstrange Posted Tuesday at 07:31 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:31 PM (edited) On 10/15/2024 at 2:31 PM, ThothAmon said: Kudos to you for the efforts. In your quest did you ever learn why Tec 1, 2, 8,13,14 and 15 weren’t in the collection? I own the 6 and my understanding was this book was a back issue picked up after Edgar began collecting and am very curious as to why those other specific issues are missing. 🤔 Detective 14 and15 are in the collection. Also, Church was just getting started in 1937 so probably didn't have everything on automatic with the newsstand until a bit later on. Edited Tuesday at 07:35 PM by adamstrange tth2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_react Posted Tuesday at 08:09 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:09 PM I just updated the Detective Listing with everything that has sold in GPA covered auction houses. Plenty of books NOT in the original listing. 192 detective comics 1 NL VG/FN OS27 1937 National 193 detective comics 3 G $120.00 1937 National 194 detective comics 4 VG $180.00 1937 National 195 detective comics 5 NM $300.00 1937 National 196 detective comics 6 VG $150.00 5 1937 National 197 detective comics 7 FN $200.00 1937 National 198 detective comics 8 NL 8 OW 1937 National 199 detective comics 9 NM $250.00 1937 National 200 detective comics 10 NM+ $300.00 9.2 OW-W 1937 National 201 detective comics 11 FN $150.00 1938 National 202 detective comics 12 NL 9.4 OW-W 1938 National 203 detective comics 15 NM $200.00 1938 National 204 detective comics 16 NM $200.00 1938 National 205 detective comics 17 NM $200.00 9.4 W 1938 National 206 detective comics 18 NL 8.5 W 1938 National 207 detective comics 19 NM $200.00 8.5 W 1938 National 208 detective comics 20 NM $250.00 1938 National 209 detective comics 21 VG $75.00 9 W Q 1938 National 210 detective comics 22 NM $150.00 1938 National 211 detective comics 23 NM $125.00 1939 National 212 detective comics 24 NM+ $150.00 8 W 1939 National 213 detective comics 25 NM+ $150.00 1939 National 214 detective comics 26 NL 9 W 1939 National 215 detective comics 38 NM+ $1,300.00 1940 National 216 detective comics 41 NM+ $225.00 1940 National 217 detective comics 42 NM+ $180.00 1940 National 218 detective comics 43 NM+ $180.00 1940 National 219 detective comics 44 NM+ $180.00 1940 National 220 detective comics 45 NM $150.00 1940 National 221 detective comics 46 NM+ $150.00 1940 National 222 detective comics 47 NM+ $150.00 1941 National 223 detective comics 48 NM+ $150.00 1941 National 224 detective comics 49 NM+ $150.00 1941 National 225 detective comics 50 NM+ $150.00 1941 National 226 detective comics 51 NM+ $125.00 1941 National 227 detective comics 52 NM+ $125.00 1941 National 228 detective comics 53 NM+ $125.00 1941 National 229 detective comics 54 NM+ $125.00 1941 National 230 detective comics 55 NM $100.00 1941 National 231 detective comics 56 NM+ $125.00 1941 National 232 detective comics 58 NM+ $125.00 1941 National 233 detective comics 59 NM+ $125.00 1942 National 234 detective comics 60 NM $100.00 1942 National 235 detective comics 61 NM+ $110.00 1942 National 236 detective comics 62 NM+ $110.00 1942 National 237 detective comics 63 NM+ $110.00 1942 National 238 detective comics 64 NM $200.00 1942 National 239 detective comics 65 NM $150.00 1942 National 240 detective comics 68 NM $75.00 1942 National 241 detective comics 69 NM $75.00 1942 National 242 detective comics 70 NM+ $90.00 1942 National 243 detective comics 71 NM $60.00 1943 National 244 detective comics 72 NM+ $75.00 1943 National 245 detective comics 73 NM $60.00 1943 National 246 detective comics 75 NM+ $75.00 1943 National 247 detective comics 76 NM $60.00 1943 National 248 detective comics 77 NM $55.00 1943 National 249 detective comics 78 NM $55.00 1943 National 250 detective comics 79 NM+ $65.00 1943 National 251 detective comics 80 NM $55.00 1943 National 252 detective comics 81 NM $55.00 1943 National 253 detective comics 87 NM $55.00 9.2 W 1944 National 254 detective comics 88 NM+ $65.00 9.4 OW-W 1944 National 255 detective comics 90 NL 9.6 OW-W 1944 National 256 detective comics 95 NM+ $50.00 1945 National 257 detective comics 98 NM+ $50.00 1945 National 258 detective comics 99 NL 9.8 W 1945 National 259 detective comics 102 NM+ $40.00 1945 National 260 detective comics 103 NM $30.00 1945 National 261 detective comics 104 NM+ $40.00 1945 National 262 detective comics 106 NM+ $40.00 9.6 W 1945 National 263 detective comics 108 NM+ $40.00 1946 National 264 detective comics 109 NL 9.8 W 1946 National 265 detective comics 112 NM+ $40.00 1946 National 266 detective comics 113 NL 9.8 W 1946 National 267 detective comics 114 NL 9.8 OW-W 1946 National 268 detective comics 116 NM $30.00 1946 National 269 detective comics 117 NM+ $40.00 1946 National 270 detective comics 118 NL 9.6 W 1946 National 271 detective comics 119 NM+ $40.00 1947 National 272 detective comics 120 NL 9.4 W 1947 National 273 detective comics 121 NL 9.6 OW-W 1947 National 274 detective comics 123 NM+ $30.00 1947 National 275 detective comics 124 NM+ $30.00 1947 National 276 detective comics 126 NL 9.4 OW-W 1947 National 277 detective comics 128 NM $25.00 1947 National 278 detective comics 129 NM+ $30.00 1947 National 279 detective comics 130 NM $25.00 1947 National 280 detective comics 131 NM+ $22.00 1948 National 281 detective comics 132 NL 9.4 OW-W 1948 National 282 detective comics 133 NM $18.00 1948 National 283 detective comics 134 NM $18.00 1948 National 284 detective comics 135 NM+ $22.00 1948 National 285 detective comics 136 NM $18.00 1948 National 286 detective comics 137 NM $18.00 1948 National 287 detective comics 138 NM $13.00 8.5 OW (Q) 1948 National 288 detective comics 139 VG $18.00 1948 National 289 detective comics 140 NM+ $90.00 1948 National 290 detective comics 141 FN $9.00 9.2 OW-W 1948 National 291 detective comics 143 NM+ $18.00 1949 National 292 detective comics 144 NL 9.4 1949 National 293 detective comics 145 NM+ $18.00 1949 National 294 detective comics 146 FR $3.00 1949 National 295 detective comics 147 FN $9.00 1949 National 296 detective comics 148 FN $9.00 1949 National 297 detective comics 149 NM+ $18.00 1949 National 298 detective comics 150 FN $9.00 1949 National 299 detective comics 151 NL 9.6 1949 National 300 detective comics 152 FN $7.00 1949 National 301 detective comics 153 VG $5.00 1949 National 302 detective comics 154 NM $12.00 1949 National 303 detective comics 156 FN $7.00 1950 National 304 detective comics 157 NL 9.6 OW 1950 National 305 detective comics 158 NM+ $15.00 1950 National 306 detective comics 159 NM+ $15.00 1950 National 307 detective comics 160 VG $5.00 1950 National 308 detective comics 161 NM+ $15.00 9.4 OW-W 1950 National 309 detective comics 162 NM+ $15.00 1950 National 310 detective comics 163 NL 9.4 OW 1950 National 311 detective comics 164 NM $12.00 9.2 1950 National 312 detective comics 165 FN $7.00 1950 National 313 detective comics 166 NM $12.00 1950 National 314 detective comics 167 NL 9.4 W 1950 National 315 detective comics 168 NM+ $15.00 1951 National 316 detective comics 170 NM+ $15.00 9.6 W 1951 National 317 detective comics 172 NL 9.6 W 1951 National 318 detective comics 173 NM+ $15.00 1951 National 319 detective comics 174 NM+ $15.00 9.4 1951 National 320 detective comics 176 VG $5.00 1951 National 321 detective comics 178 NM $12.00 9 OW-W 1951 National 322 detective comics 179 FN $7.00 1952 National 323 detective comics 180 VG $5.00 1952 National 324 detective comics 181 FN $7.00 1952 National 325 detective comics 182 NM $12.00 1952 National 326 detective comics 183 FN $7.00 1952 National 327 detective comics 184 NM+ $15.00 1952 National 328 detective comics 185 G $2.00 1952 National 329 detective comics 186 VG $5.00 1952 National 330 detective comics 187 VG $5.00 1952 National 331 detective comics 188 FN $7.00 1952 National 332 detective comics 189 G $2.00 1952 National 333 detective comics 190 VG $7.00 1952 National 334 detective comics 191 VG $7.00 1953 National 335 detective comics 192 VG $7.00 1953 National 336 detective comics 193 VG $7.00 1953 National 337 detective comics 194 VG $7.00 1953 National 338 detective comics 195 VG $7.00 1953 National 339 detective comics 196 VG $7.00 1953 National 340 detective comics 197 G $2.00 1953 National 341 detective comics 198 VG $5.00 1953 National Mmehdy, tth2 and ThothAmon 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted Tuesday at 08:18 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:18 PM On 10/15/2024 at 1:09 PM, rob_react said: Plenty of books NOT in the original listing. For sure as all of the books that were already sold off by then were not included in Chuck's Mile High listing, the most obvious being the Church copies of Action 1 though Action 21 which has been residing in the Dentist's personal collection for several decades now. tth2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThothAmon Posted Tuesday at 08:40 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:40 PM On 10/15/2024 at 3:31 PM, adamstrange said: 14 Not on the updated list? So, theoretically, there’s an undiscovered Church copy of 13 out there. aardvark88 and Yorick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted Tuesday at 08:47 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:47 PM For your reading pleasure, just received another email from Heritage this time with their Intelligent Collector Newsletter which had this article on the attorney for the estate reaching out to Heritage with respect to the Superwoman of Comic Book (i.e. Christine's) collection: https://intelligentcollector.com/the-superwoman-of-comic-book-collecting/?ctrack=473536&type=article1-1-www-icmag-oct-v2-tem101524 tth2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_react Posted Tuesday at 09:29 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:29 PM On 10/15/2024 at 4:40 PM, ThothAmon said: Not on the updated list? So, theoretically, there’s an undiscovered Church copy of 13 out there. The updated list is based on books that have sold in GPA tracked auction houses. The 14 isn't in there ThothAmon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowzilla Posted Tuesday at 09:37 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:37 PM On 10/15/2024 at 4:18 PM, lou_fine said: For sure as all of the books that were already sold off by then were not included in Chuck's Mile High listing, the most obvious being the Church copies of Action 1 though Action 21 which has been residing in the Dentist's personal collection for several decades now. Those weren't sold already when Chuck did the original 1977 catalog. They were part of the group that he held back for several years. adamstrange, tth2, lou_fine and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Surfer Posted Tuesday at 10:41 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:41 PM Has anyone ever asked Chuck to join these boards? Would love to him answer specific questions about the acquisition and subsequent sale of various books from the Church collection. It could be moderated to avoid having it go off the rails, maybe have questions submitted in advance that he could respond to. Would make for one hell of a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_react Posted Tuesday at 11:00 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:00 PM On 10/15/2024 at 6:41 PM, Silver Surfer said: Has anyone ever asked Chuck to join these boards? Would love to him answer specific questions about the acquisition and subsequent sale of various books from the Church collection. It could be moderated to avoid having it go off the rails, maybe have questions submitted in advance that he could respond to. Would make for one hell of a thread. I would LOVE to have that opportunity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted Wednesday at 12:52 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:52 AM On 10/15/2024 at 3:41 PM, Silver Surfer said: Has anyone ever asked Chuck to join these boards? Would love to him answer specific questions about the acquisition and subsequent sale of various books from the Church collection. It could be moderated to avoid having it go off the rails, maybe have questions submitted in advance that he could respond to. Would make for one hell of a thread. These boards have already driven off Don Rosa and Neal Adams. What else could go wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator CGC Mike Posted Wednesday at 01:05 AM Administrator Share Posted Wednesday at 01:05 AM On 10/15/2024 at 6:41 PM, Silver Surfer said: Has anyone ever asked Chuck to join these boards? Would love to him answer specific questions about the acquisition and subsequent sale of various books from the Church collection. It could be moderated to avoid having it go off the rails, maybe have questions submitted in advance that he could respond to. Would make for one hell of a thread. A forum could be set up so all replies would remain hidden until approved by me. The settings are a little different than the ones in the ask CGC forums. Silver Surfer, rob_react and tth2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_react Posted Wednesday at 01:11 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:11 AM On 10/15/2024 at 8:52 PM, VintageComics said: These boards have already driven off Don Rosa and Neal Adams. What else could go wrong? Don't blame me! VintageComics and AJD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_react Posted Wednesday at 01:15 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:15 AM On 10/15/2024 at 9:05 PM, CGC Mike said: A forum could be set up so all replies would remain hidden until approved by me. The settings are a little different than the ones in the ask CGC forums. I would be happy and dorkily respectful to be able to ask a set of questions in that situation. There are so many small mysteries (how much was the Wonder Woman #1 sold for?) that I'd love to get clarification on. I would be happy to submit a block of questions in advance, since I have a few at the ready! CGC Mike, Silver Surfer, tth2 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_react Posted Wednesday at 01:18 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:18 AM On 10/15/2024 at 8:52 PM, VintageComics said: These boards have already driven off Don Rosa and Neal Adams. What else could go wrong? The only "last thread" I was involved in was Brulato and I was just trying to point out that he was actually the ultimate 🐳and we should give him some room 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageComics Posted Wednesday at 01:22 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:22 AM On 10/15/2024 at 6:18 PM, rob_react said: The only "last thread" I was involved in was Brulato and I was just trying to point out that he was actually the ultimate 🐳and we should give him some room 🤣 Brulato deserved every bit of heat he got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
