Darwination Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Tarzan is one of those properties (did I just use that word? maybe cuz it gets treated like property ) that is some sort of dividing line. Millennials and Zoomers have pretty much zero attraction, but there's absolutely enormous nostalgia from older generations that watched them as weekend cinema as well as a lot of love from ERB pulpsters (All Story/Argosy, Blue Book) or those that read the novels in paperback with all the great Frazetta covers. I made a Tarzan reference recently in front of my daughter, and she had zero idea what I was talking about (even though I'd have thought that Disney flick got to her generation, too). Point Five and jimjum12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 On 6/10/2024 at 1:36 PM, Darwination said: Tarzan is one of those properties (did I just use that word? maybe cuz it gets treated like property ) that is some sort of dividing line. Millennials and Zoomers have pretty much zero attraction, but there's absolutely enormous nostalgia from older generations that watched them as weekend cinema as well as a lot of love from ERB pulpsters (All Story/Argosy, Blue Book) or those that read the novels in paperback with all the great Frazetta covers. I made a Tarzan reference recently in front of my daughter, and she had zero idea what I was talking about (even though I'd have thought that Disney flick got to her generation, too). To not drift away from the thread topic, If I were to pick 5 Pulps that have keyworthy notoriety AND great covers, the 1st All Story Tarzan would easily top my list. The cover to the first Conan Weird Tales has grown on me and I SO regret not getting a solid fine for 3K when I could barely afford it. That would be my second choice. I'd have to think on the final three slots. A Lovecraft Astounding pops to mind, but not exactly Key. The cover to 1st Cthulu doesn't particularly move me to song and dance. GOD BLESS ... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) KirbyJack, Darwination, asimovpulps and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwination Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 On 6/10/2024 at 12:05 PM, MrBedrock said: Classic covered nipple cover... Crazy nice condition on this o.O Ghost Stories has some really cool covers (and content - Macfadden mags are awesome), and I wonder if any of them in more common style of the magazine will get noted as classic. The two I think are easy calls are the last couple in the run which are in a totally different style than most (and the cat one reprints an earlier cover). Have no idea if others feel the same way about the classic status (not my copies, I've bid on these over the years but always come up short). Curious if anyone knows anything about the artist, a Stuart Leach, don't think I've ever seen anything Point Five, asimovpulps, pmpknface and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 On 6/10/2024 at 2:00 PM, Darwination said: Crazy nice condition on this o.O Ghost Stories has some really cool covers (and content - Macfadden mags are awesome), and I wonder if any of them in more common style of the magazine will get noted as classic. The two I think are easy calls are the last couple in the run which are in a totally different style than most (and the cat one reprints an earlier cover). Have no idea if others feel the same way about the classic status (not my copies, I've bid on these over the years but always come up short). Curious if anyone knows anything about the artist, a Stuart Leach, don't think I've ever seen anything I was just a click away from suggesting the black cat Ghost. I was fortunate to own the McLaughlin copy briefly. It resides with a boardie now. The whole run of Ghost that John had amassed were uniformly nice, and I had the chance to have the group fronted to me for a year, and I stupidly passed. Doing Stupid Right, Since 1959. GOD BLESS ... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) waaaghboss, KirbyJack and Darwination 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwination Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 On 6/10/2024 at 12:47 PM, jimjum12 said: To not drift away from the thread topic, If I were to pick 5 Pulps that have keyworthy notoriety AND great covers, the 1st All Story Tarzan would easily top my list. The cover to the first Conan Weird Tales has grown on me and I SO regret not getting a solid fine for 3K when I could barely afford it. That would be my second choice. I'd have to think on the final three slots. A Lovecraft Astounding pops to mind, but not exactly Key. The cover to 1st Cthulu doesn't particularly move me to song and dance. GOD BLESS ... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) Yeah, this is a reason I really like the 1st All Story Tarzan getting a lot of attention recently as far as the first slabbed pulp and whatnot. It's a perfect counterpoint to Action 1 as far as cover meeting content. I got a huge kick out of you making some crack about that one regarding "caveman art" jimjum12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBedrock Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 On 6/10/2024 at 1:00 PM, Darwination said: Crazy nice condition on this o.O Ghost Stories has some really cool covers (and content - Macfadden mags are awesome), and I wonder if any of them in more common style of the magazine will get noted as classic. The two I think are easy calls are the last couple in the run which are in a totally different style than most (and the cat one reprints an earlier cover). Have no idea if others feel the same way about the classic status (not my copies, I've bid on these over the years but always come up short). Curious if anyone knows anything about the artist, a Stuart Leach, don't think I've ever seen anything I have one of the later at CGC now, so we will find out soon. jimjum12, Point Five and Darwination 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarg Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 On 6/10/2024 at 8:04 AM, Bookery said: At first I was wondering about that too... however, the June '48 Amazing above isn't even broken out of the run in my guide. I do think there is a tendency (and maybe I was guilty of it in the guide too... I'd have to review all of the entries) to place anything with a skeleton cover as "classic". But there are probably hundreds of them in pulpdom. I do think the FFM above qualifies... green skeleton, green shroud, jawless and with those bizarre egg-yolk eyes... there's really nothing else like it, and by one of the best artists in the business to boot. The DFW is also a particularly fine example of this "sub-genre" of cover art, so I don't have a problem with that designation either. But there is also a tendency to call anything with a nude or semi-nude on the cover as "classic", and I don't agree with that. In fact, I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I think many of the Brundage covers are over-rated as "classic" covers. Maybe 2 or 3 might make my cut (I don't even particularly like the bat-woman cover, but would concede its status just because of how often it has been reprinted). Brundage is the most overrated pulp cover artist. OtherEric 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 On 6/10/2024 at 5:56 PM, Sarg said: Brundage is the most overrated pulp cover artist. You're joking right? Have you ever seen a photo of Margaret Brundage? Even her dirty laundry would be classic. This one was just posted in a Facebook group that I follow and is a good example of why designating classics is difficult in Pulpdom. So much choice material, who can discriminate? I've always said, if a third party has to decide what's classic, how classic is it, really? GOD BLESS ... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) Here's another question, to even further muddy the waters .... Is this a classic? or is THIS a classic? pmpknface and Darwination 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Man Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 On 6/10/2024 at 9:43 AM, MrBedrock said: Who you callin' a fanboy? Don’t feel bad. He calls me a “sicko”… jimjum12, waaaghboss and Darwination 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Man Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 On 6/11/2024 at 6:47 AM, jimjum12 said: You're joking right? Have you ever seen a photo of Margaret Brundage? Even her dirty laundry would be classic. This one was just posted in a Facebook group that I follow and is a good example of why designating classics is difficult in Pulpdom. So much choice material, who can discriminate? I've always said, if a third party has to decide what's classic, how classic is it, really? GOD BLESS ... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) Here's another question, to even further muddy the waters .... Is this a classic? or is THIS a classic? I quickly vote for photo #2. I believe that is a Delicorte? Problem is, it was so limited and rare that very few people have ever seen one. A classic car from the Art Deco style… jimjum12 and adamstrange 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 On 6/11/2024 at 11:55 AM, Robot Man said: I quickly vote for photo #2. I believe that is a Delicorte? Problem is, it was so limited and rare that very few people have ever seen one. A classic car from the Art Deco style… That WAS kind of stacking the deck a bit, eh? I was happy just to find the image. GOD BLESS ... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherEric Posted June 11 Author Share Posted June 11 On 6/10/2024 at 2:56 PM, Sarg said: Brundage is the most overrated pulp cover artist. I'll second that. She was undeniably excellent, and her covers are spectacular... but she had her one lane and she stuck in it, and she didn't do that many covers in total. An A-list artist? Yes. The end-all and be-all of pulp artists, which is where a lot of people want to put her? No. Darwination 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bugfarm Posted June 11 Popular Post Share Posted June 11 A few classics in my opinion (as a long time collector of horror/sci-fi pulps) Darwination, asimovpulps, Ricksneatstuff and 10 others 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 On 6/11/2024 at 2:46 PM, Bugfarm said: A few classics in my opinion (as a long time collector of horror/sci-fi pulps) Not a dud in the lot. I've long admired the execution and style employed on the shudder pulps. There's just nothing else quite like them. GOD BLESS ... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) comicjack, Cushing Fan, pmpknface and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Darwination Posted June 11 Popular Post Share Posted June 11 (edited) Sickos! Definitely in the tradition of slasher films and the like where old ugly people torture young beautiful people (women specifically) in varied and inventive ways. There's a number of classic WM covers, and they should get appropriate PCH type level of respect. Of all the WM covers in the last couple posts, I wonder if the most iconic is also the least sensational: On the classic tip, I'd mentioned that November 1933 Brundage as my #1 fave from her (and don't really quibble with Eric and Sarge's assessment, her best stuff has to do with simple composition - even if I like her style, too). If you limit the number of classics to 50, and no need to be totally arbitrary, I imagine you'd still get at least a few Brundages (one of which would probably have to be REH related). For Weird Tales, I also think you'd have to include a Houdini issue or Monsters of the Pit (as wonderfully primitive as they may be) from the earliest Weird Tales as a representative classic as well as Finlay's Sea-Witch. Arguments could be made for inclusion of some representatives of later artists too. The Astounding At the Mountains of Madness is a lock. It's pretty good, but it *has* to get the nod as maybe the most famous HPL entry in the pulps. The Saunders test tube girl on Marvel Science Stories gets the definite nod (at one point that was the highest selling piece of pulp OA - very easily could be mistaken) but maybe gets to be the lone representative of test tube women (outside of maybe a Bok I'm thinking about ). I think the bottom Planet Stories is classic, too. I'm not sure if it's not as "hot" as it once was, but heat probably shouldn't be too much of a factor here. Edited June 11 by Darwination pmpknface, Pat Calhoun, waaaghboss and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) On 6/11/2024 at 5:02 PM, Darwination said: Definitely in the tradition of slasher films and the like where old ugly people torture young beautiful people (women specifically) in varied and inventive ways. .... a serendipitous homage to the crushing drain of our vitality, by the Industrial Automation Complex. A slow, strategic purging of the worker class in an effort to delicately strip them of their value, as they are slowly removed from the equation. And some say there is no devil. Don't get me started GOD BLESS... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) Edited June 11 by jimjum12 comicjack, Darwination and grendel013 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hibou Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 On 6/9/2024 at 1:49 AM, detective35 said: Bugfarm and jimjum12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darwination Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 On 6/11/2024 at 4:25 PM, jimjum12 said: .... a serendipitous homage to the crushing drain of our vitality, by the Industrial Automation Complex. A slow, strategic purging of the worker class in an effort to delicately strip them of their value as they are slowly removed from the equation. And some say there is no devil. Don't get me started GOD BLESS... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) Never once have I thought about all the mechanization at play on these covers along with toying with of humanity by "science." And the mention of the devil is on target, too, all these hooded figures in red and blood offerings to some dark lord... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) On 6/11/2024 at 6:04 PM, Darwination said: Never once have I thought about all the mechanization at play on these covers along with toying with of humanity by "science." And the mention of the devil is on target, too, all these hooded figures in red and blood offerings to some dark lord... And to think. it is all a fairly crisp parallel to the Birth Of The Machine that was already cresting towards the class wide extinction agenda of the workers, nearly deifying the Corpulent few. Ouch! An insidious deviltry that lurks in the shadows of reality, almost hiding in plain sight. If that doesn't step on someone's toes, nothing will. GOD BLESS ... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) Satire make Huk's head hurt Edited June 13 by jimjum12 Darwination 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjum12 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Here's an example of the difficulty in achieving consensus with regards to the "Classic" Cover category. I personally find this one as, or more, classic than many of it's earlier counterparts. Others, however, consider it just another goofy example of a mundane issue of Amazing Worlds. This is NOT an isolated case at all. There are many, many more GOD BLESS ... -jimbo(a friend of jesus) Cushing Fan, Hibou and Darwination 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
