Stan Lee Lied - Your Handy Guide to Every Lie in the 'Origins of Marvel Comics' 7 7

[Paul © ® ⚽️💙™]

On 9/13/2024 at 10:45 PM, Ken Aldred said:

To CGC it’s just a signed comic for which they’re providiIdIdng a grading service. Clinical as that. Even if it’s something as ridiculous as a Batman 1 reprint signed by him.

 

I'd very much like to hear their opinion, rather than others second guessing and speaking for them.

I'm sure they would welcome a chance to declare their standpoint. It couldn't do any harm could it? Communication with the community is good after all.

If they don't want to that's fine.

NO COMMENT speaks volumes as well.

[Prince Namor]

On 9/14/2024 at 3:24 AM, Paul © ® ⚽️💙™ said:

I have no dog in the fight about Stan Lee whatsoever. I have my own personal opinions like everyone else but I don't really care enough one way or the other to argue about it.

Yet here you are.

[Prince Namor]

On 9/14/2024 at 12:32 AM, Paul © ® ⚽️💙™ said:

I wonder if Stan's family will sue based on the title alone??

I 'd certainly pay to see that.

Surprised CGC allowed this thread to be honest. They are usually more cautious with legalities.

For context I once created a thread called 'Alex Baldwin kills...'

I was asked to change the name of the thread....which I did....even though he did kill someone.

Their decision was correct, so I find a thread which accuses Stan Lee of lying via way of a book self published by someone with an axe to grind, who is a member here, to be extremely surprising and uncautious given the financial muscle of the Lee family.

Nuff said.  

Proving Stan Lee Lied? 

They wouldn't even call that 'Burden' of Proof. More like 'Where do I start?'

And it would NOT be a beneficial court case/circus for Lee's people/Marvel to be in, as... SO MUCH IS PROVABLE.

And once you start knocking down those dominos... it makes it easy to show... just who DIDN'T create those characters.

Even in a stalemate, or a drawn out court case... NONE of it benefits THEM... 

ALL of it benefits the truth. 

[VintageComics]

On 9/13/2024 at 4:24 PM, Paul © ® ⚽️💙™ said:

I have no dog in the fight about Stan Lee whatsoever. I have my own personal opinions like everyone else but I don't really care enough one way or the other to argue about it.

What I am genuinely interested in is this....where does the Company CGC stand on this issue?

We all know Stan signed anything that moved in his latter years and CGC attended many conventions and facilitated the signing of books by Stan. These books are obviously in many collections and freely circulate amongst collectors for their top dollar price because of Stan's sig.

IF CGC recognise that Stan was a monumental fraud as is postulated, are they then complicit in exploiting collectors to a degree, because they knew Stan deserved no credit whatsoever for the actual 'credit; and money he was making?

OR

Do CGC stand by their stance of promoting Stan as a comic book legend, and therefore are not at all happy with the man being vilified to the extent that someone entitles a book calling him a liar and basically saying he was a complete charlatan?

I'd love to know what CGC feel about this given they have had a huge hand in perpetrating his legend.

Again I am completely neutral but I think some clarification from CGC is in order so that Stan Lee followers and collectors know where they stand.

  

I think CGC should make a statement on whether they think OJ was guilty. The community needs to know.

Here's my rationale. 

 

[jimjum12]

On 9/13/2024 at 7:41 PM, VintageComics said:

I think CGC should make a statement on whether they think OJ was guilty. The community needs to know.

CGC wouldn't touch this with my 10 foot pole. Disney has enough lawyers to sue God and will do it for far less. We do have our free speech, but there iis always the constraints of libel. GOD BLESS ... 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

The cover to the book is certainly attractive enough. 

[VintageComics]

On 9/13/2024 at 7:58 PM, jimjum12 said:

On 9/13/2024 at 7:41 PM, VintageComics said:

I think CGC should make a statement on whether they think OJ was guilty. The community needs to know.

CGC wouldn't touch this with my 10 foot pole. Disney has enough lawyers to sue God and will do it for far less. We do have our free speech, but there iis always the constraints of libel. GOD BLESS ... 

I was being facetious.

CGC doesn't owe anyone an opinion on anything except for the grade of your comic book. 

[jimjum12]

On 9/13/2024 at 7:32 PM, Prince Namor said:

SO MUCH IS PROVABLE. HEARSAY (fixed that)

I wouldn't wish that on you, as I find myself in agreement with you, more often than not... actually, just this one sticking point. I might be interested in scoring an autographed copy. Should that ever be an option. GOD BLESS ...

jimbo(a friend of jesus)

Edited Friday at 08:08 PM by jimjum12

[jimjum12]

On 9/13/2024 at 8:00 PM, VintageComics said:

I was being facetious.

CGC doesn't owe anyone an opinion on anything except for the grade of your comic book. 

I knew you were joshing. You know, I remember a Baltimore Con, 2011?, and I ended up at several tables shortly after you left. I saw the small piles you had placed on hold at each booth, and thought, "DAYUM, This cat got GAME." GOD BLESS ... 

-jiimbo(a friend of jesus)

[VintageComics]

On 9/13/2024 at 8:07 PM, jimjum12 said:

"DAYUM, This cat got GAME."

Coming from an OG, that's quite a compliment. 

[VintageComics]

On 9/13/2024 at 2:44 AM, mrc said:

"Yesterday, Bleeding Cool reported on a new book by Chaz Gower called Stan Lee Lied. Full title, Stan Lee Lied: Your Handy Guide to Every Lie in The Origins of Marvel Comics.

As we reported, this is a case for the prosecution; there is no attempt to be even-handed, but we have been given an extract to reproduce to give you a flavour of the book. Bleeding Cool welcomes more perspectives from others on this issue"

Based on the Bleeding Cool review, the book sounds like a rant. 

[jimjum12]

On 9/13/2024 at 8:10 PM, VintageComics said:

Coming from an OG, that's quite a compliment. 

I asked to have second shot if you passed, but not only did you have game, you were responsible  You were one step ahead of me at the show, I never laid eyes on you, only humbled by the aftermath GOD BLESS ...

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

Edited Friday at 08:14 PM by jimjum12

[VintageComics]

On 9/13/2024 at 8:13 PM, jimjum12 said:

I asked to have second shot if you passed, but not only did you have game, you were responsible  You were one step ahead of me at the show, II never layed eyes on you, only humbled by the aftermath

I'm behind someone all the time. You win some, you lose some. 

Edited Friday at 08:21 PM by VintageComics

[Prince Namor]

On 9/14/2024 at 7:13 AM, VintageComics said:

Based on the Bleeding Cool review, the book sounds like a rant. 

Rich Johnston is no dummy. He knew exactly what he was doing. It's been the number one click on his site and commented topic since he put it up. He threw meat in the shark pool to stir up the water. Smart. 

It's amazing how short sighted most people are and how they can't see anything but what's in front of them. No wonder it's so easy to brianwash most people. 

[Prince Namor]

On 9/14/2024 at 7:03 AM, jimjum12 said:

I wouldn't wish that on you, as I find myself in agreement with you, more often than not... actually, just this one sticking point. I might be interested in scoring an autographed copy. Should that ever be an option. GOD BLESS ...

jimbo(a friend of jesus)

I appreciate that. And just think how valuable it could be once I secure a publisher. You'd have an original signed copy!

And on the topic of provable... there are things that are more provable than others with Lee. From my book:

“Anyway, they had a contest at the Herald Tribune, an essay contest, which I won three weeks running, and whoever the editor was at the time called me and asked me to stop entering the contest. And he asked me what I intended to be. I was just out of high school, you know, and I said, well, I don’t know, an advertising man or an actor or a lawyer or something, and he said why don’t you be a writer?”

- Stan Lee, Comics Interview by Jay Maeder, (1974)

 

In Abraham Josephine Riesman’s 2021 biography of Lee, True Believer: The Rise and Fall of Stan Lee, he fact checks Lee by going into the paper’s archives to find that Lee DID indeed compete in the contest and on May 7, 1938… and won seventh place. (Oh, and netted an honorable mention - as did ninety other kids on two subsequent weeks.)

I can’t think of a better scenario for the first fib in the book, to show exactly who Stan Lee is.

[jimjum12]

On 9/13/2024 at 8:26 PM, Prince Namor said:

You'd have an original signed copy!

Of course I would. I'll even be man enough to be honest, should you change my mind. Just remember, some folks don't want to discover that "Papa Was A Rolling Stone", so to speak. I still remember when you refused the Pujol bounty. My old lady was besties with him forever, still talks on the phone to this day. Thanks, again.  I have friends who love the color Orange, but just because I don't, it doesn't jeopardize the friendship. Unfortunately, we can no longer pick the brains of Kirby or Lee, and we might well find the "truth" to be somewhere in the middle. GOD BLESS ... 

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

One thing I know, none of us are right enough to outsmart Eternity, so why waste the valuable time with TOO much squabbling. 

[AlterEgo2024]

On 9/13/2024 at 5:56 PM, Paul © ® ⚽️💙™ said:

I'd very much like to hear their opinion, rather than others second guessing and speaking for them.

I'm sure they would welcome a chance to declare their standpoint. It couldn't do any harm could it? Communication with the community is good after all.

If they don't want to that's fine.

NO COMMENT speaks volumes as well.

Please ask them, and post their reply here. 

[RockMyAmadeus]

[CGC Mike]

I inquired earlier today.  

Who are we to say who is right? This kind of stuff  is always up for debate. As long as everyone stays civil…

[Dr. Balls]

On 9/13/2024 at 2:24 PM, Paul © ® ⚽️💙™ said:

where does the Company CGC stand on this issue?

CGC doesn't have much of a soul left, I would imagine they could care less. Unless, of course, Blackrock stumbles upon the ability to re-animate the dead for autographing purposes.

 

[Paul © ® ⚽️💙™]

On 9/14/2024 at 2:30 AM, AlterEgo2024 said:

Please ask them, and post their reply here. 

I'm not that invested. Mike's reply is good enough for me.