Boy Comics # 17 New Thread

[Timulty]

It's the cover to House of Mystery Limited Collector's edition but I am assuming that is a reprint.

[Ze-man]

B&B #93

 

A B&B /HOM crossover dealy

Neal Adams classic all the way.

 

Ze-

 

Is the hand on the oversized cover the same?.. Great now I gota go check that cruddy copy I bought off Greggy a few years ago..

[ronm3-migration]

It's DC Super #23? Thanks for making this my 4700th post.

 

Oh my God 4700 posts since August. That's incredible! Thats around 28 posts a day!

[grider67]

Great now I gota check that cruddy copy I bought off Greggy a few years ago..

 

[deathlok]

It's the cover to House of Mystery Limited Collector's edition but I am assuming that is a reprint.

Look, here's Timulty again.

[EastEnd]

Re-attaching a centerfold, or even a cover, without adding anything to the book (thus not constituting restoration) is something that most hobbyists, collectors and dealers have done many times over. This kind of activity has NEVER been considered to be restoration.

 

While I appreciate the response, I'm disappointed that CGC still doesn't get it. First off, I've been a hobbyist for over thirty years and I've NEVER reattached a centerfold. I've lived my entire life in the New York area and have known many collectors here and I'm not aware of a single one that has reattached a centerfold and not considered it restoration. This notion that reattaching centerfolds has never been considered restoration is ridiculous. Are you guys just making up the rules as you go along now?

 

CGC can cite it's policy all it wants. This doesn't change the fact that the company is acting unethically. It is simply unconscionable that CGC, an entity that has the word "GUARANTEE" in it's name, will knowingly fail to disclose improvements to comics that it reviews, despite the fact that much of the collector base wants to know this information and that such information will MATERIALLY impact purchasing decisions. It's simply WRONG.

 

The bottom line is that I, and many others, believe we are much better off than before.

 

So what? This somehow excuses unethical corporate policy and behavior? Give me a break.

[Silver Surfer]

Dry cleaning is not restoration? I have seen "cleaned and pressed" on restored labels before? More confusion or another shift in policy?

[Foolkiller]

I've refrained from commenting publicly on this subject, and I will continue to do so. I think there's a number of very disturbing things going on right now, but I've felt that way for awhile and don't see that anyone needs to hear my rhetoric anymore. Frankly, I'm bored of typing it in.

 

However, I read Steve's response, and I'll just say that I think it's underwhelming -- and I will discuss it with him privately.

[toro]

Sigh! I won't argue the clean and pressed, that argument has gone on forever, but seriously the whole staple thing is a different matter. I have been buying comics for over 40+ years, and have never opened the staples on a book to re-attach a centerfold. Many gold and silver age books that I have purchased over the years do have that problem, but I have never done that.

 

Do you not consider it restoration because it can't be detected? This surely isn't a means of conservation. It has to be restoration, the book came into dis-repair because of these pages ripping loose, and then someone RESTORED the pages back and hence they have RESTORED the book to it's original condition. Were these pages ever attached when the book was manufactured? Even then it is still restoration in my opinion. They took a book and enhanced it's condition by artificial means.

 

Even if a thousand people have done this, all it means is a thousand people have restored books.

 

 

But, hey that is just is just one man's opinion.

[Aman619]

CGC has spoken! Theyre making the rules for th ehobby now.

 

but, its not so bad. I mean, with their newfangled take on whats resto and isnt, just think of how many books are now prettier an dbetter than ever before! Books are improving themselves as we speak.

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Unlock the potential in your books! What are you waiting for? Its like a late night informercial - - - CGC is like Viagra for 40-60 year old comics! Helps them look like new again!

[BlackHeartedDwarf-migratio]

First, the front and back cover were heavily abraded...

 

Could somebody explain just exactly what "heavily abraded" means?

 

[The Brain]

First, the front and back cover were heavily abraded...

 

Could somebody explain just exactly what "heavily abraded" means?

 

From Webster's: abrade......abraded......abrading....to scrape or rub off, wear away by scraping or rubbing

 

______abrader.

[BlackHeartedDwarf-migratio]

From Webster's: abrade......abraded......abrading....to scrape or rub off, wear away by scraping or rubbing

 

______abrader.

Ok. Thank you.

 

Now, could someone explain how this kind of damage can be fixed by pressing?

[Harvey Dude]

"Re-attaching a centerfold, or even a cover, without adding anything to the book (thus not constituting restoration) is something that most hobbyists, collectors and dealers have done many times over."

 

I suspect the aforementioned comment applies to dealers since I have yet to meet collectors who routinely manipulate their books to reattach covers/pages. Grant it that I have only been collecting for twenty plus years and my circle of collectors is small. It appears that sub VF+ Edgar Church books would be excellent press, manipulate and resub candidates to squeeze out that little extra dollar. It is a shame that these untainted pedigree books now are undergoing these non-restorative techniques.

[FFB]

Dry cleaning is not restoration? I have seen "cleaned and pressed" on restored labels before? More confusion or another shift in policy?

 

It's always been that way and it's been discussed a hundred times before. Dry cleaning (which is another way of saying "erasure") has never been considered restoration by CGC. Only wet cleaning (aqueous or solvent) gets a purple label.

[Harvey Dude]

....but why cant it simply include ANY comic that was once known to have been in an INFERIOR state of structure etc?

 

So when CGC sees the same book and its now in better shape, it sure seems obvious to me that CGC should note it, and keep track of it, and not just let it go through as if it always were in its new condition. Give it a 9.0 for its present condition if you must, but never just sweep under the rug its former condition. THAT doesnt protect the collectors CGC always says it is looking out for.

 

I also believe CGC needs to document on the label these upgrades and resubmissions especially on easily identifiable pedigree books. Maybe this will discourage some profiteers from enhancing and resubmitting books to achieve higher results. I personally would love to see these these tactics stopped since I think it is a cancer to our hobby but the proposed establishment of PCS tells me otherwise. I have changed my buying habits because of these shenanigans.

 

Taken from the STL forum.

 

[AussieRuss]

....but why cant it simply include ANY comic that was once known to have been in an INFERIOR state of structure etc?

 

So when CGC sees the same book and its now in better shape, it sure seems obvious to me that CGC should note it, and keep track of it, and not just let it go through as if it always were in its new condition. Give it a 9.0 for its present condition if you must, but never just sweep under the rug its former condition. THAT doesnt protect the collectors CGC always says it is looking out for.

 

I also believe CGC needs to document on the label these upgrades and resubmissions especially on easily identifiable pedigree books. Maybe this will discourage some profiteers from enhancing and resubmitting books to achieve higher results. I personally would love to see these these tactics stopped since I think it is a cancer to our hobby but the proposed establishment of PCS tells me otherwise. I have changed my buying habits because of these shenanigans.

 

Taken from the STL forum.

 

 

 

 

The comic seems to have actually deteriorated in appearance in the picture of the new slab. IMHO

 

Anyone else notice that it looks darker & speckled along the top edge now

[Silver Surfer]

....but why cant it simply include ANY comic that was once known to have been in an INFERIOR state of structure etc?

 

So when CGC sees the same book and its now in better shape, it sure seems obvious to me that CGC should note it, and keep track of it, and not just let it go through as if it always were in its new condition. Give it a 9.0 for its present condition if you must, but never just sweep under the rug its former condition. THAT doesnt protect the collectors CGC always says it is looking out for.

 

I also believe CGC needs to document on the label these upgrades and resubmissions especially on easily identifiable pedigree books. Maybe this will discourage some profiteers from enhancing and resubmitting books to achieve higher results. I personally would love to see these these tactics stopped since I think it is a cancer to our hobby but the proposed establishment of PCS tells me otherwise. I have changed my buying habits because of these shenanigans.

 

Taken from the STL forum.

 

 

 

 

The comic seems to have actually deteriorated in appearance in the picture of the new slab. IMHO

 

Anyone else notice that it looks darker & speckled along the top edge now

 

I think its just the scan is darker with the 8.5 copy as you can't see the black line at the top edge as well either.

[AussieRuss]

Maybe.... I agree that it is hard to tell from scan to scan.

 

What about the rounding on the top left corner. Looks a little blunt compared with the first picture. I wonder if that happened as a result of SCS or general handling between slabs..

[Silver Surfer]

Maybe.... I agree that it is hard to tell from scan to scan.

 

What about the rounding on the top left corner. Looks a little blunt compared with the first picture. I wonder if that happened as a result of SCS or general handling between slabs..

 

Again I think its just because the scan is brighter. The interior page that is pertruding is much more pronouced and gives the illusion that its blunted because you can't actually see the corner like in the top scan.