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CGC Census - Toughest 9.8s for Copper Age

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joe_collector

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Does anybody remember when the Miller Daredevils caught fire? Which month was the first of the bulk, was it in the late 170's? Its clear that the 160's were not being over ordered as the comics all seemed to be read and collected, instead of hoarded and packed away as collectables. The books in the 180's are as common as dirt.

 

As of 168, it was red-hot and ordered heavy, but by the time 181 rolled around, dealers and collectors were hoarding cases.

 

DD 165 has always been a tough one.

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Toughest in 9.8+ compared to 9.2+ submissions (August 5, 2008 CGC Census)

(Minimum of 50 Total Universal Submissions, Comics Dated 1980 to 1992)

 

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 - (0.00%) 0 out of 39 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (222 univ. subs)

Vampirella 113 - (0.00%) 0 out of 9 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (62 univ. subs)

Daredevil 166 - (1.37%) 1 out of 73 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (87 univ. subs)

Star Wars 107 - (1.52%) 2 out of 132 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (273 univ. subs)

Transformers 80 - (1.69%) 1 out of 59 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (104 univ. subs)

Daredevil 165 - (1.85%) 1 out of 54 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (67 univ. subs)

G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 21 - (2.21%) 3 out of 136 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (210 univ. subs)

Fury of Firestorm 61 Logo Variant - (2.27%) 1 out of 44 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (61 univ. subs)

Daredevil 168 - (2.57%) 18 out of 700 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (1403 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 301 - (3.11%) 8 out of 257 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (324 univ. subs)

Evil Ernie 1 - (3.13%) 1 out of 32 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (77 univ. subs)

The Crow 1 - (3.23%) 1 out of 31 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (59 univ. subs)

Albedo 2 - (3.33%) 1 out of 30 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (52 univ. subs)

Grendel 1 - (3.33%) 1 out of 30 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (89 univ. subs)

X-Men 132 - (3.44%) 12 out of 349 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (491 univ. subs)

Thundercats 1 - (3.57%) 2 out of 56 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (72 univ. subs)

X-Men 139 - (4.07%) 20 out of 491 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (708 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 202 - (4.24%) 5 out of 118 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (163 univ. subs)

Batman 428 - (4.64%) 9 out of 194 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (272 univ. subs)

Primer 2 - (4.67%) 7 out of 150 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (209 univ. subs)

Caliber Presents 1 - (4.76%) 3 out of 63 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (94 univ. subs)

X-Men 131 - (4.96%) 13 out of 262 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (462 univ. subs)

Daredevil 163 - (5.13%) 4 out of 78 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (116 univ. subs)

Justice League 3 Logo Variant - (5.15%) 5 out of 97 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (143 univ. subs)

X-Men 129 - (5.18%) 26 out of 502 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (746 univ. subs)

Spider-Man 1 Poly-Bagged Silver Edition - (5.21%) 5 out of 96 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (275 univ. subs)

Spider-Man 1 Platinum Edition - (5.29%) 18 out of 340 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (552 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 230 - (5.36%) 3 out of 56 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (71 univ. subs)

Daredevil 169 - (5.43%) 5 out of 92 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (132 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 300 - (5.89%) 166 out of 2817 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (4515 univ. subs)

X-Men 130 - (5.97%) 25 out of 419 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (600 univ. subs)

Uncanny X-Men 212 - (6.02%) 18 out of 299 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (441 univ. subs)

Harbinger 1 - (6.05%) 17 out of 281 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (331 univ. subs)

Power Man and Iron Fist 66 - (6.19%) 6 out of 97 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (140 univ. subs)

Daredevil 170 - (6.45%) 6 out of 93 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (109 univ. subs)

Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends 1 - (6.67%) 3 out of 45 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (54 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 238 - (6.76%) 63 out of 932 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (1424 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 216 - (6.94%) 5 out of 72 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (87 univ. subs)

Web of Spider-Man 18 - (7.14%) 3 out of 42 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (53 univ. subs)

Captain America 241 - (7.41%) 6 out of 81 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (123 univ. subs)

Groo the Wanderer 1 - (7.50%) 3 out of 40 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (55 univ. subs)

Solar, Man of the Atom 10 - (7.73%) 16 out of 207 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (213 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 204 - (7.76%) 9 out of 116 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (137 univ. subs)

X-Men 136 - (8.04%) 36 out of 448 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (625 univ. subs)

X-Men 134 - (8.05%) 31 out of 385 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (564 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 249 - (8.42%) 8 out of 95 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (110 univ. subs)

Cry For Dawn 1 - (8.51%) 4 out of 47 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (90 univ. subs)

X-Men 133 - (8.59%) 34 out of 396 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (512 univ. subs)

Uncanny X-Men 142 - (8.60%) 75 out of 872 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (1180 univ. subs)

X-Men Annual 4 - (8.62%) 5 out of 58 books CGC 9.2+ are CGC 9.8+ (77 univ. subs)

 

 

 

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Toughest in 9.8+ compared to 9.2+ submissions

 

Sure, but you have to take the key issues out.

 

No one in their right mind would submit a much of NM- copies of a common, while you can make some cash submitting NM- copies of Daredevil 168.

 

Nice list, and of the non-keys, DD 165 is right up there, but it's a bit surprising to see DD 166 ahead of it.

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Toughest in 9.8+ compared to 9.2+ submissions

Sure, but you have to take the key issues out.

 

No one in their right mind would submit a much of NM- copies of a common, while you can make some cash submitting NM- copies of Daredevil 168.

 

Nice list, and of the non-keys, DD 165 is right up there, but it's a bit surprising to see DD 166 ahead of it.

 

Well, there's no such thing as a "key" in the census database, there's just submission data.

 

The fact that the key books sometimes "float to the top" of this type of query is helpful in identifying key books, but there's really nothing in the census data that tells me what books are key and what books aren't.

 

I've already eliminated all books that are 9.0 and below from consideration

because it's unlikely that common books would be submitted in lower grades,

however, any book that is submitted with the 'hope' that it could be a 9.8

could conceivably come back as a 9.2 if the submitter missed something.

 

I could run the same report eliminating the 9.2s, assuming that a

legitimate 9.8 submission will never receive a grade lower than 9.4,

but I don't think it would change the list of books very much.

 

hm

 

What if I eliminated any book with more than 100 submissions?

 

I wonder if there's a "mid-range" between 50 and 100 submissions

that would eliminate most keys, but keep "books of interest".

 

If we go much lower than 50 overall submissions,

we'll get into books that simply aren't "slab-worthy".

 

hm hm

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Toughest in 9.8+ compared to 9.4+ submissions (Aug. 5, 2008 census)

ONLY 1980-1992 BOOKS between 50 and 100 total universal submissions

(Looking for "non-key" books that are tough in 9.8, keys usually have 100+ submissions)

Vampirella 113 - (0.00%) 0 out of 5 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (62 univ. subs)

Daredevil 166 - (1.52%) 1 out of 66 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (87 univ. subs)

Daredevil 165 - (2.63%) 1 out of 38 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (67 univ. subs)

Fury of Firestorm 61 Logo Variant - (2.94%) 1 out of 34 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (61 univ. subs)

The Crow 1 - (5.00%) 1 out of 20 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (59 univ. subs)

Albedo 2 - (5.00%) 1 out of 20 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (52 univ. subs)

Thundercats 1 - (5.26%) 2 out of 38 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (72 univ. subs)

Evil Ernie 1 - (5.56%) 1 out of 18 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (77 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 230 - (6.00%) 3 out of 50 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (71 univ. subs)

Caliber Presents 1 - (6.38%) 3 out of 47 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (94 univ. subs)

Grendel 1 - (7.14%) 1 out of 14 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (89 univ. subs)

Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends 1 - (8.33%) 3 out of 36 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (54 univ. subs)

Web of Spider-Man 18 - (8.33%) 3 out of 36 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (53 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 216 - (8.62%) 5 out of 58 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (87 univ. subs)

Groo the Wanderer 1 - (9.09%) 3 out of 33 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (55 univ. subs)

X-Men Annual 4 - (10.20%) 5 out of 49 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (77 univ. subs)

G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 5 - (10.26%) 4 out of 39 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (54 univ. subs)

Daredevil 167 - (11.27%) 8 out of 71 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (99 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 266 - (11.27%) 8 out of 71 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (91 univ. subs)

Miracleman 16 - (11.76%) 4 out of 34 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (54 univ. subs)

DC Comics Presents 47 - (12.20%) 5 out of 41 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (56 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 332 - (12.50%) 5 out of 40 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (57 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 226 - (13.11%) 8 out of 61 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (85 univ. subs)

Iron Man 150 - (13.21%) 7 out of 53 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (66 univ. subs)

Power Man and Iron Fist 84 - (13.51%) 5 out of 37 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (54 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 219 - (13.73%) 7 out of 51 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (67 univ. subs)

Cry For Dawn 1 - (13.79%) 4 out of 29 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (90 univ. subs)

Daredevil 171 - (14.00%) 7 out of 50 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (78 univ. subs)

New Mutants 16 - (14.29%) 5 out of 35 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (55 univ. subs)

Detective Comics 500 - (14.47%) 11 out of 76 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (94 univ. subs)

Detective Comics 526 - (14.89%) 7 out of 47 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (65 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 231 - (14.89%) 7 out of 47 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (61 univ. subs)

Marvel Team-Up 100 - (15.22%) 7 out of 46 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (53 univ. subs)

Batman 366 - (15.25%) 9 out of 59 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (88 univ. subs)

Saga of the Swamp Thing 20 - (15.52%) 9 out of 58 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (74 univ. subs)

Uncanny X-Men 258 - (16.00%) 8 out of 50 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (68 univ. subs)

Daredevil 172 - (16.67%) 12 out of 72 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (98 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 220 - (16.67%) 10 out of 60 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (81 univ. subs)

Rai 5 - (16.67%) 10 out of 60 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (67 univ. subs)

Incredible Hulk and Wolverine 1 - (16.67%) 6 out of 36 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (51 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 210 - (17.46%) 11 out of 63 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (93 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 224 - (17.78%) 8 out of 45 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (65 univ. subs)

Grendel 3 - (17.86%) 5 out of 28 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (53 univ. subs)

Star Wars 39 - (18.46%) 12 out of 65 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (73 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 221 - (19.05%) 12 out of 63 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (84 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 228 - (19.48%) 15 out of 77 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (91 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 279 - (19.64%) 11 out of 56 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (68 univ. subs)

Uncanny X-Men 174 - (20.00%) 12 out of 60 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (70 univ. subs)

Daredevil 254 - (20.00%) 7 out of 35 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (51 univ. subs)

G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 3 - (21.05%) 12 out of 57 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (79 univ. subs)

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Here's the "next group down"... books with 20 to 50 total universal submissions...

 

Toughest in 9.8+ compared to 9.4+ submissions (Aug. 5, 2008 census)

ONLY 1980-1992 BOOKS between 20 and 50 total universal submissions

(Looking for "non-key" books that are tough in 9.8, keys generally have 50+ submissions)

Flaming Carrot 1 - (0.00%) 0 out of 22 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (38 univ. subs)

Macross 1 - (0.00%) 0 out of 21 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (35 univ. subs)

Ghost Rider v2 #5 Second Printing - (0.00%) 0 out of 22 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (24 univ. subs)

Dark Horse Presents 1 - (0.00%) 0 out of 15 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (24 univ. subs)

Yosemite Sam 69 - (0.00%) 0 out of 10 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (21 univ. subs)

The Crow 2 - (0.00%) 0 out of 12 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (28 univ. subs)

Raphael 1 - (0.00%) 0 out of 8 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (24 univ. subs)

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 4 Second Printing/MANUFACTURING

- (0.00%) 0 out of 8 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (24 univ. subs)

Uncle Scrooge 179 - (0.00%) 0 out of 5 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (35 univ. subs)

Little Lulu 261 - (0.00%) 0 out of 5 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (22 univ. subs)

Transformers 10 - (3.57%) 1 out of 28 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (32 univ. subs)

Transformers 79 - (3.85%) 1 out of 26 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (41 univ. subs)

Star Wars 68 - (4.17%) 1 out of 24 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (47 univ. subs)

Creatures of the Id 1 - (4.17%) 1 out of 24 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (35 univ. subs)

Vampire Lestat 3 - (4.76%) 1 out of 21 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (21 univ. subs)

Fantastic Four 214 - (5.00%) 1 out of 20 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (22 univ. subs)

Ghost Rider 50 - (5.26%) 1 out of 19 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (27 univ. subs)

Cry For Dawn 5 - (5.56%) 1 out of 18 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (26 univ. subs)

Battle of the Planets 7 - (5.56%) 1 out of 18 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (31 univ. subs)

Star Wars: Return of the Jedi 3 - (5.88%) 1 out of 17 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (25 univ. subs)

Walt Disney's Comics and Stories 500 - (5.88%) 1 out of 17 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (22 univ. subs)

G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 15 - (5.88%) 1 out of 17 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (20 univ. subs)

Little Lulu 260 - (6.25%) 1 out of 16 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (31 univ. subs)

Star Wars 102 - (6.67%) 1 out of 15 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (20 univ. subs)

Ghost Rider 81 - (6.90%) 2 out of 29 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (47 univ. subs)

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Toughest in 9.8+ compared to 9.4+ submissions (August 5, 2008 CGC Census)

(Minimum of 50 Total Universal Submissions, Comics Dated 1980 to 1992)

 

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 - (0.00%) 0 out of 23 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (222 univ. subs)

Vampirella 113 - (0.00%) 0 out of 5 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (62 univ. subs)

Daredevil 166 - (1.52%) 1 out of 66 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (87 univ. subs)

Star Wars 107 - (2.20%) 2 out of 91 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (273 univ. subs)

Transformers 80 - (2.56%) 1 out of 39 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (104 univ. subs)

Daredevil 165 - (2.63%) 1 out of 38 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (67 univ. subs)

Fury of Firestorm 61 Logo Variant - (2.94%) 1 out of 34 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (61 univ. subs)

G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 21 - (3.06%) 3 out of 98 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (210 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 301 - (3.83%) 8 out of 209 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (324 univ. subs)

Daredevil 168 - (4.15%) 18 out of 434 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (1403 univ. subs)

X-Men 132 - (4.36%) 12 out of 275 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (491 univ. subs)

The Crow 1 - (5.00%) 1 out of 20 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (59 univ. subs)

Albedo 2 - (5.00%) 1 out of 20 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (52 univ. subs)

Thundercats 1 - (5.26%) 2 out of 38 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (72 univ. subs)

X-Men 139 - (5.32%) 20 out of 376 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (708 univ. subs)

Evil Ernie 1 - (5.56%) 1 out of 18 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (77 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 202 - (5.81%) 5 out of 86 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (163 univ. subs)

Batman 428 - (5.84%) 9 out of 154 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (272 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 230 - (6.00%) 3 out of 50 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (71 univ. subs)

Caliber Presents 1 - (6.38%) 3 out of 47 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (94 univ. subs)

Daredevil 169 - (6.41%) 5 out of 78 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (132 univ. subs)

Justice League 3 Logo Variant - (6.49%) 5 out of 77 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (143 univ. subs)

Primer 2 - (6.67%) 7 out of 105 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (209 univ. subs)

X-Men 129 - (6.82%) 26 out of 381 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (746 univ. subs)

X-Men 131 - (7.14%) 13 out of 182 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (462 univ. subs)

Daredevil 163 - (7.14%) 4 out of 56 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (116 univ. subs)

Grendel 1 - (7.14%) 1 out of 14 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (89 univ. subs)

Spider-Man 1 Platinum Edition - (7.53%) 18 out of 239 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (552 univ. subs)

Harbinger 1 - (7.66%) 17 out of 222 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (331 univ. subs)

X-Men 130 - (7.69%) 25 out of 325 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (600 univ. subs)

Daredevil 170 - (7.69%) 6 out of 78 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (109 univ. subs)

Uncanny X-Men 212 - (7.79%) 18 out of 231 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (441 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 300 - (7.97%) 166 out of 2083 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (4515 univ. subs)

Web of Spider-Man 18 - (8.33%) 3 out of 36 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (53 univ. subs)

Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends 1 - (8.33%) 3 out of 36 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (54 univ. subs)

Solar, Man of the Atom 10 - (8.42%) 16 out of 190 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (213 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 216 - (8.62%) 5 out of 58 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (87 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 238 - (8.76%) 63 out of 719 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (1424 univ. subs)

Power Man and Iron Fist 66 - (8.82%) 6 out of 68 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (140 univ. subs)

Groo the Wanderer 1 - (9.09%) 3 out of 33 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (55 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 204 - (9.18%) 9 out of 98 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (137 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 249 - (9.30%) 8 out of 86 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (110 univ. subs)

Captain America 241 - (9.84%) 6 out of 61 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (123 univ. subs)

X-Men 136 - (9.89%) 36 out of 364 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (625 univ. subs)

X-Men 134 - (10.10%) 31 out of 307 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (564 univ. subs)

X-Men Annual 4 - (10.20%) 5 out of 49 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (77 univ. subs)

G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 5 - (10.26%) 4 out of 39 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (54 univ. subs)

Uncanny X-Men 142 - (10.40%) 75 out of 721 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (1180 univ. subs)

X-Men 133 - (10.56%) 34 out of 322 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (512 univ. subs)

Captain America Annual 8 - (11.18%) 19 out of 170 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (292 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 266 - (11.27%) 8 out of 71 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (91 univ. subs)

Daredevil 167 - (11.27%) 8 out of 71 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (99 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 201 - (11.54%) 12 out of 104 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (159 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 261 - (11.70%) 11 out of 94 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (133 univ. subs)

Miracleman 16 - (11.76%) 4 out of 34 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (54 univ. subs)

Sandman 1 - (11.82%) 35 out of 296 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (389 univ. subs)

X-Men 140 - (12.10%) 79 out of 653 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (1004 univ. subs)

DC Comics Presents 47 - (12.20%) 5 out of 41 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (56 univ. subs)

Uncanny X-Men 268 - (12.30%) 31 out of 252 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (379 univ. subs)

Batman 427 - (12.31%) 8 out of 65 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (115 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 332 - (12.50%) 5 out of 40 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (57 univ. subs)

X-Men 141 - (12.52%) 89 out of 711 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (1163 univ. subs)

Daredevil 174 - (12.68%) 18 out of 142 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (196 univ. subs)

Avengers 195 - (12.90%) 12 out of 93 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (121 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 226 - (13.11%) 8 out of 61 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (85 univ. subs)

DC Comics Presents 26 - (13.21%) 21 out of 159 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (242 univ. subs)

Iron Man 150 - (13.21%) 7 out of 53 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (66 univ. subs)

Power Man and Iron Fist 84 - (13.51%) 5 out of 37 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (54 univ. subs)

Daredevil 176 - (13.64%) 9 out of 66 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (107 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 219 - (13.73%) 7 out of 51 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (67 univ. subs)

Batman 426 - (13.76%) 15 out of 109 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (177 univ. subs)

Avengers Annual 10 - (13.78%) 93 out of 675 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (1033 univ. subs)

Cry For Dawn 1 - (13.79%) 4 out of 29 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (90 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 298 - (13.97%) 133 out of 952 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (1712 univ. subs)

Daredevil 171 - (14.00%) 7 out of 50 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (78 univ. subs)

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One other thing, the Copper Age started in 1981, as I see you've got some late BA books in there.

 

I hate to niggle, as you're doing some great work here.

Well ok, but you just lost your Daredevil 165 and 166 numbers. :grin:

 

Toughest in 9.8+ compared to 9.4+ submissions (August 5, 2008 CGC Census)

(Minimum of 50 Total Universal Submissions, Comics Dated 1981 to 1992)

 

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 - (0.00%) 0 out of 23 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (222 univ. subs)

Vampirella 113 - (0.00%) 0 out of 5 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (62 univ. subs)

Star Wars 107 - (2.20%) 2 out of 91 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (273 univ. subs)

Transformers 80 - (2.56%) 1 out of 39 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (104 univ. subs)

Fury of Firestorm 61 Logo Variant - (2.94%) 1 out of 34 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (61 univ. subs)

G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 21 - (3.06%) 3 out of 98 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (210 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 301 - (3.83%) 8 out of 209 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (324 univ. subs)

Daredevil 168 - (4.15%) 18 out of 434 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (1403 univ. subs)

The Crow 1 - (5.00%) 1 out of 20 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (59 univ. subs)

Albedo 2 - (5.00%) 1 out of 20 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (52 univ. subs)

Thundercats 1 - (5.26%) 2 out of 38 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (72 univ. subs)

Evil Ernie 1 - (5.56%) 1 out of 18 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (77 univ. subs)

Batman 428 - (5.84%) 9 out of 154 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (272 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 230 - (6.00%) 3 out of 50 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (71 univ. subs)

Caliber Presents 1 - (6.38%) 3 out of 47 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (94 univ. subs)

Daredevil 169 - (6.41%) 5 out of 78 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (132 univ. subs)

Justice League 3 Logo Variant - (6.49%) 5 out of 77 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (143 univ. subs)

Primer 2 - (6.67%) 7 out of 105 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (209 univ. subs)

Grendel 1 - (7.14%) 1 out of 14 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (89 univ. subs)

Spider-Man 1 Platinum Edition - (7.53%) 18 out of 239 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (552 univ. subs)

Harbinger 1 - (7.66%) 17 out of 222 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (331 univ. subs)

Daredevil 170 - (7.69%) 6 out of 78 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (109 univ. subs)

Uncanny X-Men 212 - (7.79%) 18 out of 231 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (441 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 300 - (7.97%) 166 out of 2083 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (4515 univ. subs)

Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends 1 - (8.33%) 3 out of 36 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (54 univ. subs)

Web of Spider-Man 18 - (8.33%) 3 out of 36 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (53 univ. subs)

Solar, Man of the Atom 10 - (8.42%) 16 out of 190 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (213 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 216 - (8.62%) 5 out of 58 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (87 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 238 - (8.76%) 63 out of 719 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (1424 univ. subs)

Groo the Wanderer 1 - (9.09%) 3 out of 33 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (55 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 249 - (9.30%) 8 out of 86 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (110 univ. subs)

G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 5 - (10.26%) 4 out of 39 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (54 univ. subs)

Uncanny X-Men 142 - (10.40%) 75 out of 721 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (1180 univ. subs)

Captain America Annual 8 - (11.18%) 19 out of 170 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (292 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 266 - (11.27%) 8 out of 71 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (91 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 261 - (11.70%) 11 out of 94 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (133 univ. subs)

Miracleman 16 - (11.76%) 4 out of 34 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (54 univ. subs)

Sandman 1 - (11.82%) 35 out of 296 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (389 univ. subs)

DC Comics Presents 47 - (12.20%) 5 out of 41 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (56 univ. subs)

Uncanny X-Men 268 - (12.30%) 31 out of 252 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (379 univ. subs)

Batman 427 - (12.31%) 8 out of 65 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (115 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 332 - (12.50%) 5 out of 40 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (57 univ. subs)

X-Men 141 - (12.52%) 89 out of 711 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (1163 univ. subs)

Daredevil 174 - (12.68%) 18 out of 142 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (196 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 226 - (13.11%) 8 out of 61 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (85 univ. subs)

Iron Man 150 - (13.21%) 7 out of 53 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (66 univ. subs)

Power Man and Iron Fist 84 - (13.51%) 5 out of 37 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (54 univ. subs)

Daredevil 176 - (13.64%) 9 out of 66 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (107 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 219 - (13.73%) 7 out of 51 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (67 univ. subs)

Batman 426 - (13.76%) 15 out of 109 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (177 univ. subs)

Avengers Annual 10 - (13.78%) 93 out of 675 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (1033 univ. subs)

Cry For Dawn 1 - (13.79%) 4 out of 29 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (90 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 298 - (13.97%) 133 out of 952 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (1712 univ. subs)

Daredevil 171 - (14.00%) 7 out of 50 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (78 univ. subs)

Hellblazer 1 - (14.29%) 12 out of 84 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (138 univ. subs)

New Mutants 16 - (14.29%) 5 out of 35 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (55 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 252 - (14.37%) 254 out of 1768 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (3078 univ. subs)

Detective Comics 500 - (14.47%) 11 out of 76 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (94 univ. subs)

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 - (14.48%) 21 out of 145 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (214 univ. subs)

Miracleman 15 - (14.89%) 28 out of 188 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (293 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 231 - (14.89%) 7 out of 47 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (61 univ. subs)

Detective Comics 526 - (14.89%) 7 out of 47 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (65 univ. subs)

Batman 366 - (15.25%) 9 out of 59 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (88 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 317 - (15.49%) 35 out of 226 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (310 univ. subs)

Saga of the Swamp Thing 20 - (15.52%) 9 out of 58 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (74 univ. subs)

Spider-Man 1 Poly-Bagged Silver Edition - (15.63%) 5 out of 32 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (275 univ. subs)

Incredible Hulk 340 - (15.69%) 134 out of 854 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (1378 univ. subs)

Amazing Spider-Man 239 - (15.72%) 69 out of 439 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (768 univ. subs)

Daredevil 178 - (15.91%) 14 out of 88 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (115 univ. subs)

Uncanny X-Men 258 - (16.00%) 8 out of 50 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (68 univ. subs)

Transformers 1 - (16.01%) 61 out of 381 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (656 univ. subs)

Batman 400 - (16.18%) 11 out of 68 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (131 univ. subs)

Uncanny X-Men 164 - (16.25%) 13 out of 80 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (109 univ. subs)

Sandman 8 - (16.30%) 15 out of 92 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (150 univ. subs)

Punisher Limited Series 1 - (16.36%) 44 out of 269 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (427 univ. subs)

 

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Nice work, but I don't think there is any real need to eliminate those with 100 or more subs, just knock it up to 9.4 or higher.

 

That should eliminate the "key modifier" sufficiently.

JC your talking bollocks here. The pursuit of highest grade is even more evident in the copper age, and only with the exception on TMNT #1 is it worth anything in the 8.5-9.0 range. All other Coppers in that grade range are victually reduced to cover price, key or not.Your making Valiant man jump through your very annoying hoops... pull you head in!
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V,

It seems all the big books from the Copper age are there on the list, including such firm favourites as Hulk #340 (an example of a book that every man and his dog bought!).

 

It seems more that books that are favoured are being submitted in numbers, and exhibiting typical standard deviation spreads particularly as we move towards the bottom of the list.

Probably the only prominent information we can take from the list so far would be the top 15 or so books.

 

But for the rest, i would say it's all simply down to the fact that it is not worth submitting a CA book unless it's worth something in particular, and you believe it's a strong contender for the 9.4+ grade result.

So those factors will always be strong for quite a number of years to come as CA flounders with the extreme's of TMNT vs the rest of them in $ terms.

 

 

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Amazing Spider-Man 301 - (3.83%) 8 out of 209 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (324 univ. subs)

 

Harbinger 1 - (7.66%) 17 out of 222 books CGC 9.4+ are CGC 9.8+ (331 univ. subs)

 

 

Hmm, Harby #1 doesn't look so tough all of a sudden... hm

 

Doesn't Spidey #301 look distinctly undervalued by comparison?

 

Having said that, if ASM #301 was anything like as 'key' as Harby #1, there would probably be several thousand submissions of it by now.

 

 

 

 

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Nice work, but I don't think there is any real need to eliminate those with 100 or more subs, just knock it up to 9.4 or higher. <br /><br />That should eliminate the "key modifier" sufficiently.

 

JC your talking bollocks here. The pursuit of highest grade is even more evident in the copper age, and only with the exception on TMNT #1 is it worth anything in the 8.5-9.0 range. All other Coppers in that grade range are victually reduced to cover price, key or not.

 

Your making Valiant man jump through your very annoying hoops... pull you head in!

The book in question, Daredevil 168, sells for pretty good coin in 9.2, and even an 8.5 makes a profit:http://cgi.ebay.com/DAREDEVIL-168-CGC-GRADED-VF-8-5-1981-1ST-ELEKTRA_W0QQitemZ320280697781QQihZ011QQcategoryZ32753QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemIt's the same with a few other books, like ASM 194, 239 and 300...
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V,

 

It seems all the big books from the Copper age are there on the list, including such firm favourites as Hulk #340 (an example of a book that every man and his dog bought!).

 

It seems more that books that are favoured are being submitted in numbers, and exhibiting typical standard deviation spreads particularly as we move towards the bottom of the list.

Probably the only prominent information we can take from the list so far would be the top 15 or so books.

 

But for the rest, i would say it's all simply down to the fact that it is not worth submitting a CA book unless it's worth something in particular, and you believe it's a strong contender for the 9.4+ grade result.

So those factors will always be strong for quite a number of years to come as CA flounders with the extreme's of TMNT vs the rest of them in $ terms.

 

Very good points...

In any list of Copper Age where the minimum number of submissions is 50 (or even 20),

we have immediately filtered out any Copper Age book that is "relatively unimportant" to collectors.

 

One of the things that people don't normally see in the CGC Census is the fact that

most EXISTING copies of Modern/Copper books are NOT 9.8. Judging from the census,

it would be easy to conclude that 9.8 is "easy" for these books, regardless of publisher.

 

In reality, the key books are a better demonstration of the actual conditions of raw books in the market.

There's just no incentive for "average copies" of most Modern/Copper books to be slabbed,

so the census reflects the "best of the best", not the "normal situation".

 

For example, the average slabbed grade for Marvel books from 1982

for books which have 1 to 25 copies on the CGC census is 9.55.

That probably sounds about right to most collectors...

Marvel books from 1982 have been generally well-protected,

it's probably easy to find raw books in the 9.55 range...

probably "about average" for unslabbed books from this timeframe.

 

But, that's just not reality... watch what happens as the sample size increases...

 

The average slabbed grade for Marvel books from 1982 for books

with 26 to 100 copies on the CGC census is 9.46.

The average slabbed grade for Marvel books from 1982 for books

with 100 or more copies on the CGC census is 9.24...

while the average slabbed grade for Marvel books from 1982 for books

with 500 or more copies on the CGC census is 9.13.

 

So... if you wanted to estimate the "average condition" of UNGRADED Marvel books from 1982,

what grade estimate would you apply to all those raw books out there in the world?

 

I would say that 9.13 is the closest to the "average condition" of UNGRADED Marvel books from 1982.

In fact, 9.13 is probably too high, because we're talking about books that were deemed "slab-worthy"

by someone at some time... by default, those books are already "better than average"

because people don't slab every copy of a book, they slab their best.

 

(I just picked Marvel 1982 at random... we could use any publisher/year combo.)

 

Books which are graded the most often have the best chance of having a better

cross-section of the ACTUAL normal grades in existence... which is why books with the most

copies on the census are also averaging the lowest overall grade.

 

The real question is... how many RAW books are being claimed to be 9.4 or 9.6,

but in reality are "about average", and much closer to 9.13 than the seller would admit?

How many collectors who "don't need CGC" are paying raw 9.4 and 9.6 prices for raw 9.13 books?

The statistics say that the "average raw copy" isn't as good as collectors might think.

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