Fantastic Four Collecting Thread! 33 33

[Drummy]

"If my spine wasn't severed, I'd beat you to death, Slipshod!"  

[Straw-Man]

stoked about my new upgrade!

[Frisco Larson]

Whoa!!! Sweet copy Billy boy!!!!  

[WernerVonDoom]

Picked up this beauty from my local comic shop. FF #6. First Marvel super-villain team-up & 2nd Doctor Doom:

[Straw-Man]

love it!   ff 6 is a classic. 

[KirbyJack]

5 minutes ago, Straw-Man said:

love it!   ff 6 is a classic. 

Across the Ages, a classic!

[Frisco Larson]

[WernerVonDoom]

1 hour ago, Frisco Larson said:

A 7.5 has gotta be like a 9.8 for Los 4 Fantasticos

[Frisco Larson]

1 minute ago, Werner_Von_Doom said:

A 7.5 has gotta be like a 9.8 for Los 4 Fantasticos

You are correct Sir, yes! Yeah, it's super hard to find these in nice shape. It's the highest and only graded copy. I DO have a raw one. The pic is from the auction I bought it from, and the pieces have been folded back down without incident.  

[trmoore54]

On ‎2020‎-‎07‎-‎13 at 3:54 AM, Straw-Man said:

excellent!

Sweet copy...on of the Top 5 most difficult FF in grade (9.0 or better).  I posted the following in August of last year so about a year ago and have highlighted the info re. #11.

FANTASTIC FOUR 1-52 HG CENSUS ANALYSIS

 

Finally getting around to posting this…

 

I just recently updated my HG Census analysis for ASM 1-50 which I posted in the ASM 11 thread.  Now let’s have a look at the Fantastic Four 1-52.  As for the ASM data, the last time I put his together was in August 2014 as well.  Let’s break it down…

 

As per the title, I am using the Census to examine the numbers.  As with all analyses and empirical data/evidence…there are factors of error to be considered…retired books resubmitted probably the foremost issue…but all-in-all the numbers appear to be consistent with the Jan 2012 analysis and my non-published analysis prior to that.  Also the fact that “key” and singular books will have more submissions than the other issues.

 

Additionally in the case of the FF issues, issues 44 and 48 are warehouse finds and thus significantly more issues have been submitted and graded for these 2 books with higher grades as would be expected.

 

Let’s start with some general statements of fact:

 

Of the 50 books, 14 issues have only added 8 or less copies to the Census in grades 9.0-10.0 or 28-per cent.  The most difficult of all, with only 3/4/5 added copies respectively are issues 1, 11 and 8.  Next up is Issue 12 with 6 copies and then Issues 3, 4, 5, 6 and 18 with 7 copies and rounding out Issues 7, 17 and and 19 with 8 copies.  Issues 16 and 20 have 10 copies added.

 

Issue 1 retains the top spot with 16 issues and only three 9.0s added.  Issue 3 is next with only 27 copies.  And then those 2 dark covers, Issues 11 (31) and 7 (34) followed by Issue 8 (36 copies) to round out the Top 5.  The order is the same as in 2014 except for 7 and 11 changing spots.

 

Issues 2, 18, 5, 2, 13 and 6 round out the Top 10.

 

Twelve issues do not have a 9.8 adding 2 9.8s down from 14…Issues 9 and 49 each added one 9.8  There are a total of 29 9.8s added.  Of the issues without 9.8s, Issues 7 and 8 have only one 9.6!

 

Fifteen Issues now have 100 or more HG copies graded up from 10.  Issue 48’s total numbers have risen by a staggering 121 copies or an average of 24 per year.  There have  been no 9.8s or 9.6s added for Issues 1, 3, 11, 7, 8, 2, 18, 5, 13, 6 and 4 in their order in the rankings.

 

9.8!

Still only 145 copies in the entire run achieving the rarified 9.8 grade status (or 2.9-per cent)!  That represents a meager 32 issues added in the last 5 years of an average of just over 6 a year!

As previously mentioned, Issues 9 and 49 joined the list with 1 copy each.

 

9.6!

Only 73 9.6 copies for an average of a little under 15/year. 

 

Summarily, there are only 5,013 CGC graded issues of FF 1-50 graded 9.0 or better…an overall increase of a 1,130 copies in the last 5 years…and average of 226/year. 

 

Side-by-side comparison

Grade   2014     2019

9.8       113       145       28.3-per cent increase

9.6       391       483       23.5-per cent increase

9.4       849       1066     25.5-per cent increase

9.2       955       1371     30.4-per cent increase

9.0       1443     1948     34.9-per cent increase

 

FF	Issues 1-52					8.25.14
	9.8	9.6	9.4	9.2	9.0	TOTAL
1		2	3	2	6	13
3	1	1	2	10	6	20
7		1	5	8	12	26
11		2	5	6	14	27
8		1	7	5	18	31
18	1	1	5	12	12	31
5		2	11	11	8	32
2	1	2	6	11	14	33
13	1	3	5	10	16	35
9		6	13	7	10	36
6		2	6	11	18	37
17	1	4	8	11	16	40
15	2	4	8	12	15	41
4		6	10	11	16	43
19	1	7	13	8	16	45
31	2	3	11	13	16	45
23	1	4	6	16	20	47
10	2	4	11	12	20	49
12		4	14	17	14	49
37		4	8	17	20	49
29		8	6	19	21	54
16	1	2	18	15	19	55
20	1	7	10	8	30	56
34		2	16	20	21	59
51		7	10	21	21	59
42	2	4	14	17	23	60
43	2	7	12	20	21	62
40		7	6	18	32	63
14	3	7	16	14	24	64
22	2	7	15	14	26	64
27	1	4	13	18	28	64
25	2	5	11	20	33	71
30	1	8	20	22	22	73
32	2	11	10	16	34	73
24	4	11	20	14	27	76
21	4	6	14	23	32	79
33	5	7	22	15	30	79
38	2	9	19	29	22	81
28	2	6	24	22	38	92
39	2	10	18	19	43	92
26	2	11	19	29	33	94
36	1	8	17	33	36	95
45	3	5	15	24	58	105
50	2	5	13	38	57	115
52	3	12	27	37	72	115
35	3	16	22	36	43	120
41	7	10	34	30	40	121
47	2	14	33	39	38	126
49		9	22	35	60	126
46	7	18	45	60	53	183
44	9	33	90	69	64	265
48	28	71	98	105	148	450
TOTALS	116	410	886	1109	1536	4057
2013	105	373	764	955	1314	3511
DELTA	11	37	122	154	222	546

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 27, 2020 by trmoore54

[trmoore54]

My #11 

 

[Sweet Lou 14]

16 minutes ago, trmoore54 said:

Sweet copy...on of the Top 5 most difficult FF in grade (9.0 or better).  I posted the following in August of last year so about a year ago and have highlighted the info re. #11.

FANTASTIC FOUR 1-52 HG CENSUS ANALYSIS

<snip>

 

Thanks for this fantastic post!

[Drummy]

Tom, I never get tired of the color strike on that #11...look at that white price circle!  Dream copy. 

Mebbe I shoulda kept it...

[trmoore54]

4 hours ago, Drummy said:

Tom, I never get tired of the color strike on that #11...look at that white price circle!  Dream copy. 

Mebbe I shoulda kept it...

Coupled with the color gradation background that I always really dug (and still do).  Interestingly, Spidey covers never really used this technique (#7 sort of)...it was a Kirby thing I guess.  Also there aren't as many as you think for the primary Silver Age titles...for FF, issues 11, 16 and 27.  For JIM/THOR...issues 87, 95, 116 and 125 and for X-Men the iconic #4.  And used a bit in Pre-Hero JIM 58 and 76...TOS 3, 15 and 18 and TTA 3, 13, 15, 17 and 32...I don't have all the Pre-Hero Strange Tales cover images handy so I didn't explore those...

[Sweet Lou 14]

49 minutes ago, trmoore54 said:

Coupled with the color gradation background that I always really dug (and still do).  Interestingly, Spidey covers never really used this technique (#7 sort of)...it was a Kirby thing I guess.  Also there aren't as many as you think for the primary Silver Age titles...for FF, issues 11, 16 and 27.  For JIM/THOR...issues 87, 95, 116 and 125 and for X-Men the iconic #4.  And used a bit in Pre-Hero JIM 58 and 76...TOS 3, 15 and 18 and TTA 3, 13, 15, 17 and 32...I don't have all the Pre-Hero Strange Tales cover images handy so I didn't explore those...

I love those covers too!  Not sure why the color pallette for that effect almost always seemed to go brown/red/orange/yellow, but they really stand out.  You did forget one pre-hero JIM though, probably the best of the bunch:

Also, would you consider these two JIM/Thor books to count?

[trmoore54]

I stand corrected sir.   I sort of discount the blue ones (which is like ASM 7...and 17 and 18 as well) as with the JIM 89.  They're not near as dramatic.

Edited July 29, 2020 by trmoore54

[Straw-Man]

[KirbyJack]

Clearly, the FF is the best example!

 

Edited July 29, 2020 by KirbyJack

[trmoore54]

Hey Billy...hey Jack...hope all is well.  And best regards to Dan/Drummy as well.  FF FOREVER!!

[jimjum12]

Just picked up a nice 8.5 white pager of FF 30. I don't have pics yet, but it's one of my favorite issues and was also on the cartoon from the 60's if memory serves. GOD BLESS....

-jimbo(a friend of jesus)

 

. Long time no see, Tom ... we missed you.