fantastic_four Posted October 20, 2002 Share Posted October 20, 2002 CGC hasn't eliminated ignorance of what restoration is and how to detect it, but they have eliminated the fear of restoration when buying slabbed comics. In fact, it's not difficult to argue that CGC has unintentionally spread the ignorant views. I strongly believe this wasn't their intent, but the Purple label has become the physical symbol of the fear of restoration collectors have been building up for over a decade. ANY unslabbed comic worth over $100 could be restored, and since not every comic is slabbed, the fear remains. Extended fear breeds loathing; collectors who have lost hundreds or thousands of dollars to restoration typically don't want anything to do with restoration. To them, restoration is a mark of a criminal action. It's a shame that perception has become prevalent, but thanks to the greedy slight restorers, that's the way the market is right now. Undisclosed restoration isn't a huge problem in Bronze age titles except the keys, but over the next 10-20 years, a lot of Bronze books will get cut up also. Restoration detection is a skill ANY high-grade vintage collector should possess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murph0 Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 So, in a nutshell, you're upset because people passed off restored books as unrestored and now you think that's the reason why they aren't valuable? Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantastic_four Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 The truth of something as complex as a market with tens or hundreds of thousands of people in it isn't possible to summarize in a nutshell, but I do think that's the primary reason out of about 6 to 12 reasons why they're worth less than they were 10-15 years ago. The 1990s is when it started to become common knowledge amongst vintage comics collectors that people were slightly restoring FN to VF books without disclosing the work to maximize their profits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corto_Maltese-migration Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 I totally agree with FF and Matt, who are obviously guys who love comics, who love the smell of an ancient treasure freshly dug out of an attic, who appreciate comics as something more than certified pieces of plastic to be bought and sold like stocks. For the real collectors, a restored book is a great thing to have. A book that is falling apart in one's hands can be transformed into an attractive comic. Another thing to keep in mind is that Golden Age books are really rare. Maybe one can avoid restored books in the Silver and Bronze markets, but in the GA market, one might wait months or years for a particularly rare book to surface, and when it does it will surely be bought, restored or not. Finally, I think that the anti-restoration guys on this forum should stop calling restored books "freakish restos" or "cyborg" books, which is just a childish denigration of something that many collectors highly value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BachelorOfComix Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 This thread is like.......a phoenix from the ashes......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggy Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 This thread is like.......a phoenix from the ashes......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ablue Posted June 2, 2003 Author Share Posted June 2, 2003 I totally agree with FF and Matt, who are obviously guys who love comics, who love the smell of an ancient treasure freshly dug out of an attic, who appreciate comics as something more than certified pieces of plastic to be bought and sold like stocks. For the real collectors, a restored book is a great thing to have. A book that is falling apart in one's hands can be transformed into an attractive comic. Another thing to keep in mind is that Golden Age books are really rare. Maybe one can avoid restored books in the Silver and Bronze markets, but in the GA market, one might wait months or years for a particularly rare book to surface, and when it does it will surely be bought, restored or not. Finally, I think that the anti-restoration guys on this forum should stop calling restored books "freakish restos" or "cyborg" books, which is just a childish denigration of something that many collectors highly value. Yehaa!!! I finally have a fan!! WTF??? I totally did not see this coming!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BachelorOfComix Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 Yehaa!!! I finally have a fan!! WTF??? I totally did not see this coming!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggy Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 Yehaa!!! I finally have a fan!! WTF??? I totally did not see this coming!! But....didn't the guy agree with FF and Matt? I didn't read any reference to ablue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ablue Posted June 2, 2003 Author Share Posted June 2, 2003 Yehaa!!! I finally have a fan!! WTF??? I totally did not see this coming!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ablue Posted June 2, 2003 Author Share Posted June 2, 2003 Yehaa!!! I finally have a fan!! WTF??? I totally did not see this coming!! But....didn't the guy agree with FF and Matt? I didn't read any reference to ablue! Hey! I thought you were still working ther graveyard shift! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggy Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 Hey! I thought you were still working ther graveyard shift! Nah...I prefer to work my own graveyard shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ablue Posted June 2, 2003 Author Share Posted June 2, 2003 Yehaa!!! I finally have a fan!! WTF??? I totally did not see this coming!! But....didn't the guy agree with FF and Matt? I didn't read any reference to ablue! Hey! I thought you were still working ther graveyard shift! Correction the graveyard shift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggy Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 Yehaa!!! I finally have a fan!! WTF??? I totally did not see this coming!! But....didn't the guy agree with FF and Matt? I didn't read any reference to ablue! Hey! I thought you were still working ther graveyard shift! Correction the graveyard shift Considering the graveyard shift does no cover 9:15 PM, I guess the answer is pretty obvious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ablue Posted June 2, 2003 Author Share Posted June 2, 2003 Yehaa!!! I finally have a fan!! WTF??? I totally did not see this coming!! But....didn't the guy agree with FF and Matt? I didn't read any reference to ablue! It was still my post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BachelorOfComix Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 Yehaa!!! I finally have a fan!! WTF??? I totally did not see this coming!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggy Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 Yehaa!!! I finally have a fan!! WTF??? I totally did not see this coming!! OK...BOC, I'll leave it up to you to keep this thread going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BachelorOfComix Posted June 2, 2003 Share Posted June 2, 2003 Hey! I thought you were still working ther graveyard shift! Nah...I prefer to work my own graveyard shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ablue Posted June 2, 2003 Author Share Posted June 2, 2003 Yehaa!!! I finally have a fan!! WTF??? I totally did not see this coming!! But....didn't the guy agree with FF and Matt? I didn't read any reference to ablue! Hey! I thought you were still working ther graveyard shift! Correction the graveyard shift Considering the graveyard shift does no cover 9:15 PM, I guess the answer is pretty obvious! no cover ?? or not cover, yur getting tired buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
