Larson Marvel Mystery Comics #9

[Silver Surfer]

Was just surfing through Heritage's archives and I noticed the following:

 

Sold in 2002:

 

and then again in 2003:

 

Maybe this has been talked about before but the Master Chief thread(s) has opened my eyes to this kind of stuff so I thought I share it. How do you remove pen (a solvent perhaps?) and how does this go undetected on the resub?

 

Still this is my ultimate grail.

[nearmint]

What's maddening about it to me is that the "88" is what designates it as a Larson. Some books say "Lamont" or "Larson", while others have 2 or 3 digit call-back numbers which are specific to each title. "88" is the call-back number for Marvel Mystery.

 

Whoever had the work done could have simply had the glue removed to get the blue label. CGC doesn't downgrade for identifying marks on pedigrees.

[Silver Surfer]

The placement of the staples suggests that the book was probably taken apart, cleaned (did a nice job) and I'm guessing pressed as well. Just look at how the bottom staple sits in the blue label compared to its original placement.

[nearmint]

Not just the staple but the whole cover has shifted. Notice how the chip at the top left is closer to the spine in the blue label than in the PLOD?

 

You hear about how a cover shrinks slightly if it's disassembled and cleaned. You can see that here. The pages are not visible in the PLOD, except where the chip is missing. In the Universal holder, you can see a sliver of the pages at the top and right edge.

[The Black Hand ®]

With the 88 missing, how did they know it was a Larson? How did they miss the restoration the second time around?

[CentaurMan]

Wow. What a key book and key pedigree, totally ruined (by an evil collector/dealer) and totally blown (by inept/incompetent CGC resto detection). That's terribly depressing. Someone move this to the General forum where I won't see it.

[nearmint]

How did they miss the restoration the second time around?

 

Once the glue was removed from the cover, there was no sign of any resto.

[MasterChief]

Good job, Surfer.

 

This particular book was going to be featured in a piece I’m currently working on. I hope to have it up in MG sometime soon. Treatment cases such as this are very troubling to say the least.

[The Black Hand ®]

I'm still confused... if the cover was water cleaned, that's pretty obvious,, the texture of the cover feels different. Someone familiar with this should notice it when they are grading it.

[Silver Surfer]

Good job, Surfer.

 

This particular book was going to be featured in a piece I’m currently working on. I hope to have it up in MG sometime soon. Treatment cases such as this are very troubling to say the least.

 

Well I have to admit if anyone knows the current owner I'd love to own it regardless of what happened to it. Still it shows that this kind of stuff has been going on since CGC's inception and it makes me do a double take on the books I currently have in my collection.

[Shield]

This book was discussed at great length (as well as the MM #33) back around 2003. Let's see who can find the old thread first!

[Shield]

I win my own no prize:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/sho...true#Post398759

 

[Shield]

And another:

 

http://boards.collectors-society.com/sho...true#Post162460

 

Remember, the search is your friend!

[Straw-Man]

and it makes me do a double take on the books I currently have in my collection.

 

we should all love our books so!! i double take on mine now and again.

[Straw-Man]

Wow. What a key book and key pedigree, totally ruined (by an evil collector/dealer) and totally blown (by inept/incompetent CGC resto detection). That's terribly depressing. Someone move this to the General forum where I won't see it.

 

evil?

[ciorac]

and it makes me do a double take on the books I currently have in my collection.

 

we should all love our books so!! i double take on mine now and again.

 

heck I even quadruple take sometimes.....Lately I've oggling my Tec 1, over and over and over. It has moved quietly into the realm of obsession...

[PUNYHUMAN]

Surfer, thanks for pointing this out. It's still a beautiful book & I wouldn't turn it down to own it but it 's total Bull #$%@ !!! what the collector /dealer did to that book . It's all about the money!! Those numbers like Nearmint said , were part of the Providence. @#$%!!!! Nothings sacred when it comes to the almighty dollar!!

[Straw-Man]

and it makes me do a double take on the books I currently have in my collection.

 

we should all love our books so!! i double take on mine now and again.

 

heck I even quadruple take sometimes.....Lately I've oggling my Tec 1, over and over and over. It has moved quietly into the realm of obsession...

 

well, since me over here in la. could hear your 'yipppeeeeeeeeeeeeee' on it's arrival to miss., i'd hardly call it "quiet."

[ciorac]

and it makes me do a double take on the books I currently have in my collection.

 

we should all love our books so!! i double take on mine now and again.

 

heck I even quadruple take sometimes.....Lately I've oggling my Tec 1, over and over and over. It has moved quietly into the realm of obsession...

 

well, since me over here in la. could hear your 'yipppeeeeeeeeeeeeee' on it's arrival to miss., i'd hardly call it "quiet."

 

good point.

[Silver]

How do you "erase" something from a cover that is so undetectable that CGC cannot tell? Since they keep a scanned copy of covers in their database, they should start looking to see if the books match a previous submission, or at least check Heritage like our boards members do ...