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Bronze Age Thanos Appreciation Thread

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joe_collector

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I was on here finishing up some outstanding Forum Deals, and thought I'd clear up any difficulties regarding Thanos.

 

Here is the real deal on the First Thanos Saga:

 

Iron Man 55

 

Captain Marvel 25-30

 

Marvel Feature 12

 

Captain Marvel 31-32

 

Avengers 125

 

Captain Marvel 33

 

Warlock 9-11, 15 (Thanos is referred to - but not shown - in Strange Tales 178-181)

 

Avengers Annual 7

 

Marvel Two-in-One Annual 2

 

The Death of Captain Marvel TPB

 

 

There are a few cameos in other books, but these are usually flashbacks or origin sequences, and do not affect the overall story.

 

And as for the earlier comment that Iron Man 55 should not be included, I recommend that person actually *read* the issue in question, which introduces Thanos, The Destroyer, Mentor, Eros, and Kronos, as well as the origins of Titan, and Mentor/Thanos, while outlining the basis for Thanos going on his Universe-conquering trip.

 

Overall, a very key issue in the Thanos story.

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joeypost

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I was on here finishing up some outstanding Forum Deals, and thought I'd clear up any difficulties regarding Thanos.

 

Here is the real deal on the First Thanos Saga:

 

Iron Man 55

 

Captain Marvel 25-30

 

Marvel Feature 12

 

Captain Marvel 31-32

 

Avengers 125

 

Captain Marvel 33

 

Warlock 9-11 (Thanos is referred to - but not shown - in Strange Tales 178-181)

 

Avenger Annual 7

 

Marvel Two-in-One Annual 2

 

The Death of Captain Marvel TPB

 

 

There are a few cameos in other books, but these are usually flashbacks or origin sequences, and do not affect the overall story.

 

And as for the earlier comment that Iron Man 55 should not be included, I recommend that person actually *read* the issue in question, which introduces Thanos, The Destroyer, Mentor, Eros, and Kronos, as well as the origins of Titan, and Mentor/Thanos, while outlining the basis for Thanos going on his Universe-conquering trip.

 

Overall, a very key issue in the Thanos story.

 

Agreed.

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grandz-migration

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I stand by my assessment of not including I.M.# 55

in the *Saga* storyline for these reasons.

 

I.R. #55 did not show, or suggest that Thanos was

going to, or had any intent on conquering the Universe

for any reason or/and his acceptance from heart throb

Death; revealed to be his goal in later comics.

 

On page's #11, 12 of I.M. #55 we see the origin of Thanos,

that Thanos was exiled from Saturn's largest moon Titan.

Thanos gathered, as is said on page #12 "A raging Horde

of interstellar Malcontents" to wage war on [Titan].

 

Thanos did this for revenge on his father "Mentor".

 

 

Thanos had NO aspirations on conquering the Universe, and

winning the acceptance of Death in that issue; nor were we lead

to believe that he wanted to conquer ANYTHING; only REVENGE on Titan.

If you believe he did, then you are reading into that issue

your own justification for a *Thanos Saga*.

 

That issue is important for introducing Thanos, as a villain

(along with certain characters; Drax's origin and reason

for a search and kill mission on Thanos). It show's Thanos'

character. Not his Nihilism.

 

I invite people to read an interview with Jim Starlin were he

says, "The first one was in Captain Marvel where he did the

Captain and Cosmic Cube thing" [refering to the first Thanos *Saga*

Link to Jim Starlin interview -

http://www.adelaidecomicsandbooks.com/starlin.htm

 

If Jim Starlin does not give I.M. #55 as a starting point

for his Thanos *Saga*[ the key word here is*Saga*], then any

observers [ meaning us] who differ with that are merging Thanos'

revenge on Titan, with a Thanos *Saga*.

 

Also. If we include the Warlock issues #'9-11, and #15 [which

are wonderful examples of human psyche shown through fictional

characters] issues. Than we must include the Silver Surfer issues

# 34-50, in the Thanos *Saga*

 

The Thanos appearances in these Warlock issues do not show Thanos'

Universe conquering as the plot, but rather show Thanos being a

instigator to Warlock; because Thanos knows Warlock's future self

the Magus would be a threat to Thanos', as Thanos says,

"tranquility...non-purpose...DEATH!.

 

 

In Warlock #9 Thanos is only seen on the last splash page saying,

"I had hoped to avoid personal involvement in this affair for

other more important matters now scream for my attention". And

earlier in that issue he is telepathically telling Gamora how to

kill Magus with a special knife.

 

Warlock #10 have a two page background history of

Thanos and his wicked, wicked ways, but that is not the story of

issue #10.

 

In Warlock #11 Thanos wants Warlock to use his Soul Gem,

to destroy Magus' henchmen, and begin his road to becoming Magus

( Warlocks future self)

 

Warlock #15 Thanos says in one panel, "Total Stellar Genocide"

referring to his continuing mission.

 

I have no problem including the Warlock, and Silver Surfer issues

into a Thanos *Saga* because the nihilistic intent is there.

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joe_collector

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Who cares what you "have no problem with"? screwy.gif

 

P.S. Please post exactly where in that interview, Starlin outlines specifically the beginning and end of the First Thanos Saga?

 

Or did you think no one would read it? 27_laughing.gif

 

In my corner, I have every reprint and TPB of that epic struggle, and they all start with Iron Man 55. Strange how that would happen. foreheadslap.gif

 

EDIT: Some parts of that interview are hilarious, and it's sad to see Starlin's memory seems to be going. I guess it happens to us all. sorry.gif

 

For example, when asked why Marvel allowed him to take over Warlock:

 

"Well, to start off with, Warlock was selling terribly..."

 

Yeah, it was so bad that Marvel had cancelled the book 2+ years before. tonofbricks.gif

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grandz-migration

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I did not post that Starlin outlined a beginning, or end

of the *Saga* by issue #. If you would have read my post

without getting emotionally enraged; you would have seen that.

 

I did, in fact, post in the Jim Starlin interview, where

Mr. Starlin says the first Thanos * Saga* starts. Again. I

invite people to read that interview. My clip-it from that

interview can be viewed in this thread.

I'm glad you found it so interesting.

http://www.adelaidecomicsandbooks.com/starlin.htm

 

 

In my corner, CGC, and I.M. #55 it self.

 

If you would like, and ask nicely, I'll ask Angel Medina to

ask Jim Starlin ( I am friends with Angel, and Angel and Jim

are still good friends) if he considers I.M. #55 the official

beginning of his Thanos *Saga*( though Jim already

shows Captain Marvel as the beginning of the Thanos *Saga*).

I know you will be waiting for that, but it may be awhile for

a response; as Angel and Jim are very busy artists.

 

As I stated in my post, the characterization of Thanos in his

six page appearance in I.M. # 55 does not show, or state him to

be a universe conquering, longing for death's love psycho.

 

Now you show me, the panels in that book, where it states him looking

for those things. Thanos is stated as looking for revenge on Titan, not

Universal genocide of creation, and Godhood.

 

I posted my opinion as to when I believe the Thanos *Saga* started and

it's adjacent issues. You sir, need to keep your emotions in-check

while reading. And re frame from childish retorts, so we can have a

healthly discourse of opinions.

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joe_collector

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I understand now, and you are basically starting with Captain Marvel 27, where the Thanos story really got going, and he went in search of the Cosmic Cube, outlining his motives for the first time.

 

If you are getting so specific, then yes, IM 55 and CM 25-26 are set-up for the "Thanos goes after the Cosmic Cube and tries to Conquer/Destroy the Universe to Appease Death" plot. Nothing past Captain Marvel 33 qualifies either.

 

But not everyone thinks like that, and I open the Thanos Saga quite a bit further than those seven issues, as is quite obvious from my list.

 

P.S. Don't bother with Starlin, as from that interview, I'd hardly expect him to give a rational answer from memory. Warlock was a low-selling book in 1975.. 27_laughing.gif27_laughing.gif27_laughing.gif

 

Plus it really doesn't matter what the author says as each reader may have a different interpretation of where the "Thanos Saga" begins and ends. All the author can do is write the stories, but once they're in the wild...

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BuckeyeChaos

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I was on here finishing up some outstanding Forum Deals, and thought I'd clear up any difficulties regarding Thanos.

 

Here is the real deal on the First Thanos Saga:

 

Iron Man 55

 

Captain Marvel 25-30

 

Marvel Feature 12

 

Captain Marvel 31-32

 

Avengers 125

 

Captain Marvel 33

 

Warlock 9-11, 15 (Thanos is referred to - but not shown - in Strange Tales 178-181)

 

Avengers Annual 7

 

Marvel Two-in-One Annual 2

 

The Death of Captain Marvel TPB

 

 

There are a few cameos in other books, but these are usually flashbacks or origin sequences, and do not affect the overall story.

 

And as for the earlier comment that Iron Man 55 should not be included, I recommend that person actually *read* the issue in question, which introduces Thanos, The Destroyer, Mentor, Eros, and Kronos, as well as the origins of Titan, and Mentor/Thanos, while outlining the basis for Thanos going on his Universe-conquering trip.

 

Overall, a very key issue in the Thanos story.

 

JC

 

so where does Daredevil 105,107 ; Avengers 118 and Iron Man 88 fit in chronologically? Or are they not integral to the tale?

 

Thanks

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Interesting how Starlin's work evolved from 1973 to 1976. Much more stylized later on.

 

I agree as well. What I really found interesting was I didnt know Starlin could draw until I picked up Breed in college. I was floored how good I thought it was and still do.

 

There is something unique about how Starlin does Thanons. No one else has really captured that character quite like Starlin did. While I didnt care for his Warlock I thoroghly enjoye alof of his other books and Thanos appearances. His death issue in GR was great and the Surfer run is still one of my favorites. I would love to see some more Thanos by Starlin and Lim a perfect combination.

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JC

 

so where does Daredevil 105,107 ; Avengers 118 and Iron Man 88 fit in chronologically? Or are they not integral to the tale?

 

Thanks

 

Daredevil 105 is a story about Moon Dragon's origin and distrust of Thanos. Some new insights perhaps and a page of content devoted to the character was given. So basically it's a flashback book.

 

I have yet to read through Avengers 118 or Daredevil 107.

 

But Iron Man 88 is a floating Thanos head. When the book narrator reflects on when the Blood Brothers were last seen in the pages of Iron Man, they show a floating Thanos head between two comic panels. That's it! The Blood Brothers don't even work for Thanos anymore. He's not part of the story or even considered as a potential threat. It's a floating head. There is no saga here just a over hyped book for monetary reasons. foreheadslap.gif

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