CGC Census Numbers - Anything, Everything, what do YOU want to know?

[lou_fine]

Amazingly great stuff here!!!

 

I noticed from your publisher's breakdown that Archie Publications has ONLY 236 unique issues slabbed by CGC. What is the total number of Archie Publication books which have been graded by CGC? I noticed that your list stops at 515 copies with DC/Wildstorm. I assume this means that Archie Publications must be lower than this number. This appears to be an awfully low number for a major publisher which has been around continuously since the 1940's.

 

Would you have a breakdown by decade and the number of copies which grade CGC 9.0 and higher? Any bets this is an extremely low number which goes to show that Archies are probably quite tough to find in high grade and probably quite undervalued in the marketplace.

 

Thanks for any help which you can provide.

 

[blowout]

Absolutely great stuff valiantman.

Kudos to you for posting this stuff, its great to finally see some real data on the CGC submissions.

 

A very well earned 5 stars for you.

[musicmeta]

This information is FANTASTIC! Keep it coming.

[Metarog]

Great stuff Valiantman-a well earned fiver for you. Could you look up which publishers had the least submits. Say less than 30. Thanks again.

[valiantman]

Valiantman you rule!!! Ive got a question: tell us a little about how you went about this. It seems you wrote a program that went into every book on the CGC census an dextracted all the grade info into a spreadsheet. And from there it was fairly easy (for a genius!) to sort it out into any query you want.

But did you really crunch the info one screen at a time as I guessed?

 

Well, I borrowed some code from some software developer friends

that's used to gather data from websites and adjusted it to work for CGC.

(It's normally used to mine public records like marriages, court records, etc.)

 

It runs from the command line (yep, it runs from DOS)... and opens

the connection to the website like a browser, but instead of displaying the results

it reads them one line at a time. I strip off all the html tags and create a

delimited record for myself. It's not a perfect format for every record,

so I made several adjustments in Microsoft Access to correct the problems.

 

Yes, it literally reads the pages one at a time.

They take about 5 seconds each... and I split the work into 3 screens,

so I am able to read about 2,000 pages per hour.

about 18 hours later... all 37,000+ are done!

 

Obviously, this is not as easy as just downloading a copy of the database file,

but since that doesn't seem to be an option at this point...I'm pretty happy with the results!

[sfilosa]

It's inteseting how there have been more higher graded submissions of DC Comics over Marvel Comics from the 1960's.

 

As Drbanner said, only in the early 1960's. This makes perfect sense because FF#1 doesn't come out until 1961, and the majority of the Marvel Super-Heroes aren't around till at least 1963. Once the "Marvel Universe" began, there is no question that there are many more high grade copies from Marvel than DC.

 

What I thought was VERY INTERESTING, is that it appears that around 1/3 of all books graded so far are MODERNS.

 

I think that is a bad trend for CGC in the future. In my opinion, there is no real financial benefit to getting most MODERNS slabbed. As time goes on, and the census shows thousands of copies of a Modern book being slabbed, prices will contiune to fall. Then even getting a 9.8 or above will not justify the cost of getting the book slabbed.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bronty]

Then again, once we run out of high grade vintage books to slab, what's left for cgc to do?? Moderns have to be part of model. They just need to drop the submission fees!

 

Valiantman, a well deserved five stars. However, you seem to be stuck on three stars still! Hopefully the next fiver will push you over the top.

[valiantman]

What is the total number of Archie Publication books which have been graded by CGC?

 

236 unique issues are credited to "Archie Publications", totalling 410 submissions.

(401 universal submissions)

 

There are also 15 issues of "Archie" titles credited to MLJ Magazines,

with 30 submissions (26 universal submissions)

 

Books that aren't published by "Archie Publications" and don't have "Archie"

in the title aren't included. (Pep, etc.)

 

Would you have a breakdown by decade and the number of copies which grade CGC 9.0 and higher?

 

For Archie books?

 

These include all "Archie Publications" and any

MLJ Magazines comic with "Archie" in the title.

(Also includes 3 "Bell Comics" Canadian issues)

1940s - 23 Archie issues - 42 universals, 5 graded CGC 9.0 or higher

1950s - 65 Archie issues - 102 universals, 23 graded CGC 9.0 or higher

1960s - 99 Archie issues - 144 universals, 88 graded CGC 9.0 or higher

1970s - 20 Archie issues - 67 universals, 59 graded CGC 9.0 or higher

1980s - 26 Archie issues - 27 universals, 26 graded CGC 9.0 or higher

1990s - 21 Archie issues - 51 universals, 48 graded CGC 9.0 or higher

2000s - 2 Archie issues - 2 universals, 2 graded CGC 9.0 or higher

[sfilosa]

Then again, once we run out of high grade vintage books to slab, what's left for cgc to do?? Moderns have to be part of model. They just need to drop the submission fees

 

But how far can they drop the fees and still make it worthwhile (profitable) to grade these Modern books?

 

And as I said before, once there are 100-1,000's of 9.8 copies of the same issue, will there be enough premium to justify the grading cost?

 

 

 

 

 

[valiantman]

Could you look up which publishers had the least submits. Say less than 30. Thanks again.

 

162 different publishers have only 1 submission.

476 different publishers have 30 submissions or less.

[dam60]

What I thought was VERY INTERESTING, is that it appears that around 1/3 of all books graded so far are MODERNS.

 

I think that is a bad trend for CGC in the future. In my opinion, there is no real financial benefit to getting most MODERNS slabbed. As time goes on, and the census shows thousands of copies of a Modern book being slabbed, prices will contiune to fall. Then even getting a 9.8 or above will not justify the cost of getting the book slabbed.

 

I actually had a similar conversation with Steve about this at the Philly Forum Dinner and basically what he said (which I agree with) is that ther is always going to be a "hot" book that people will want to get slabbed. I predict that since Teen Titans sold out in like a day, that in 4 weeks that will be all over ebay in 9.6/9.8 thanks to prescreens. I'm sure that Steve and the boys have also seen more copies of Trouble in the last week than they ever wanted to . . .

 

Point being - as long as there are "hot" books people will want the stuff certified. After all, when they started this gig everyone was aware of the finite supply of BA/SA/GA books.

 

Thoughts?

 

DAM

[sfilosa]

Point being - as long as there are "hot" books people will want the stuff certified. After all, when they started this gig everyone was aware of the finite supply of BA/SA/GA books.

 

 

I tend to believe that huge certifications of "HOT BOOKS" will invariably cut down the number of "HOT BOOKS" and the legnth of time a book is hot.

 

Thereby, disproving the old saying "Better Late Than Never". Eventually, if you send in a hot book two weeks after it came out, by the time you get the book back it won'tt be "Hot" anymore (regardless of the grade).

 

While I am in no way saying CGC won't be around for many years to come, there is no guarantee that they will contiunue to get as many books submitted as they do now.

 

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ValiantMan- Is it possible for you to run a report showing:

 

1) Total Marvel Books graded from 1966-1975

2) Of the total amount of books graded, how many are VF+ (8.5) or better and how many are VF (8.0) or lower.

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I ask this question because:

 

Other than a few key issues during this time, it almost makes no financial sense to have books grade VF or lower during this time period. I have a feeling that everyone will be surprised how many books were certified that never should have been (from a financial point of view). And as time goes on, people will realize "more and more" which books should be certified and which books shouldn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[valiantman]

...a report showing:

1) Total Marvel Books graded from 1966-1975

2) Of the total amount of books graded, how many are VF+ (8.5) or better and how many are VF (8.0) or lower.

 

Total Marvel Books from 1966-1975 graded (universal submissions): 64,091

Marvel - 1966-1975 universal CGC 8.5's or higher: 45,658 (71.2%)

Marvel - 1966-1975 universal CGC 8.0's or lower: 18,433 (28.8%)

[sfilosa]

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...a report showing:

1) Total Marvel Books graded from 1966-1975

2) Of the total amount of books graded, how many are VF+ (8.5) or better and how many are VF (8.0) or lower.

 

 

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Total Marvel Books from 1966-1975 graded (universal submissions): 64,091

Marvel - 1966-1975 universal CGC 8.5's or higher: 45,658 (71.2%)

Marvel - 1966-1975 universal CGC 8.0's or lower: 18,433 (28.8%)

 

 

 

Thanks, that was fast.

 

I hope you're not that fast with your wife? Of course it might explain why you have time to run these reports. Just Kidding.

 

 

This kind of proved my point that probably over 1/4 of Marvel books from the time period of 1966-1975 should never have been graded in the first place. And the truth is that probably most VF/NM or lower books from 1968 on should not have been graded.

 

I just think that over time, collectors will realize that it doesn't make a lot of sense to pay $25 (or more) to get many of these books graded.

[valiantman]

Here's a few more that I think might be interesting:

 

Looking at comics with 25+ graded copies in universal mid-to-high grades...

Which of those comics are the hardest to find in the highest universal grades?

 

MOST POPULAR 1960s SUBMISSIONS, TOUGHEST IN CGC 9.4+ (Percent)

Justice League of America 9 - (3.57%) 1 out of 28 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Fantastic Four 12 - (5.13%) 2 out of 39 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Fantastic Four 29 - (5.88%) 2 out of 34 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Daredevil 7 - (6.38%) 3 out of 47 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Tales to Astonish 60 - (7.14%) 2 out of 28 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Fantastic Four 6 - (7.14%) 2 out of 28 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

X-Men 10 - (7.14%) 5 out of 70 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Tales of Suspense 39 - (7.89%) 3 out of 38 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Flash 175 - (8.11%) 3 out of 37 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Avengers 9 - (8.33%) 3 out of 36 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Daredevil 10 - (8.33%) 4 out of 48 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

X-Men 1 - (8.62%) 5 out of 58 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Thor 126 - (8.82%) 3 out of 34 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Amazing Spider-Man 28 - (9.86%) 7 out of 71 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Flash Annual 1 - (10.00%) 3 out of 30 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Amazing Spider-Man 14 - (10.45%) 14 out of 134 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Amazing Spider-Man 24 - (10.45%) 7 out of 67 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Amazing Spider-Man 37 - (10.68%) 11 out of 103 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Amazing Spider-Man 2 - (11.11%) 5 out of 45 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Fantastic Four 5 - (11.11%) 3 out of 27 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

Fantastic Four 50 - (11.29%) 7 out of 62 books CGC 8.0+ are CGC 9.4+

 

MOST POPULAR 1970s SUBMISSIONS, TOUGHEST IN CGC 9.6+ (Percent)

Green Lantern 76 - (0.00%) 0 out of 43 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Weird War Tales 1 - (2.44%) 1 out of 41 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

X-Men 94 - (2.65%) 9 out of 339 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Conan the Barbarian 3 - (2.91%) 3 out of 103 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Superman 233 - (3.23%) 1 out of 31 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Batman 237 - (3.70%) 1 out of 27 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Fantastic Four 112 - (4.55%) 3 out of 66 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Amazing Spider-Man 176 - (4.65%) 2 out of 43 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Amazing Spider-Man 89 - (4.88%) 2 out of 41 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Frankenstein 1 - (5.19%) 4 out of 77 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Giant-Size Defenders 1 - (5.41%) 2 out of 37 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Marvel Team-Up 1 - (5.68%) 5 out of 88 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

X-Men 96 - (5.73%) 11 out of 192 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Amazing Spider-Man 102 - (5.98%) 7 out of 117 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Amazing Spider-Man 93 - (6.00%) 3 out of 50 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Silver Surfer 15 - (6.06%) 2 out of 33 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Green Lantern 87 - (6.25%) 2 out of 32 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Batman 234 - (6.45%) 4 out of 62 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

Daredevil 131 - (7.14%) 10 out of 140 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

House of Secrets 92 - (7.14%) 6 out of 84 books CGC 8.5+ are CGC 9.6+

 

MOST POPULAR 1980s SUBMISSIONS, TOUGHEST IN CGC 9.8+ (Percent)

Batman 428 - (0.00%) 0 out of 96 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Star Wars 107 - (0.00%) 0 out of 80 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Amazing Spider-Man 202 - (0.00%) 0 out of 50 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 21 - (0.00%) 0 out of 49 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Daredevil 170 - (0.00%) 0 out of 42 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Power Man and Iron Fist 66 - (0.00%) 0 out of 35 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Daredevil 166 - (0.00%) 0 out of 28 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Captain America 241 - (0.00%) 0 out of 25 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Daredevil 168 - (0.29%) 1 out of 343 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Watchmen 1 - (1.25%) 1 out of 80 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Miracleman 1 - (1.72%) 1 out of 58 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Primer 2 - (1.92%) 2 out of 104 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Man of Steel 1 Special Collector's Edition - (2.08%) 1 out of 48 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

X-Men 140 - (2.37%) 8 out of 338 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

X-Men 139 - (2.37%) 6 out of 253 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Sandman 8 - (2.38%) 1 out of 42 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Daredevil 169 - (2.50%) 1 out of 40 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

X-Men 131 - (3.33%) 4 out of 120 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Amazing Spider-Man 301 - (3.37%) 3 out of 89 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Miracleman 14 - (3.45%) 1 out of 29 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

 

MOST POPULAR 1990s SUBMISSIONS, TOUGHEST IN CGC 9.8+ (Percent)

Spider-Man 1 Platinum Edition - (0.00%) 0 out of 155 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Superman 75 Poly-Bagged Edition - (0.00%) 0 out of 38 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

G.I. Joe, A Real American Hero 155 - (0.00%) 0 out of 35 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Uncanny X-Men 268 - (1.06%) 1 out of 94 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Spider-Man 1 Poly-Bagged Silver Edition - (1.69%) 1 out of 59 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Birds of Prey 8 - (2.08%) 1 out of 48 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Green Arrow 137 - (2.94%) 1 out of 34 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Fantastic Four v2 #1 - (3.45%) 2 out of 58 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Fantastic Four 347 - (3.57%) 1 out of 28 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Hulk 1 Dynamic Forces Gold Foil - (3.57%) 1 out of 28 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Daredevil v2 #1 - (3.70%) 9 out of 243 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Adventures of Superman 500 Collector's Edition - (4.35%) 2 out of 46 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Amazing Spider-Man 365 - (4.88%) 2 out of 41 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Action Comics 662 - (6.56%) 4 out of 61 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

New Mutants 100 - (6.82%) 3 out of 44 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Uncanny X-Men 282 - (7.06%) 6 out of 85 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Spawn 1 Black & White Edition - (7.14%) 4 out of 56 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Hulk 1 Sunburst Variant Cover - (7.32%) 3 out of 41 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Fantastic Four v3 #1 Sunburst Variant Cover - (7.41%) 2 out of 27 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Amazing Spider-Man 400 Die-Cut Variant Cover - (7.69%) 2 out of 26 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Wolverine 145 Foil Cover - (7.89%) 3 out of 38 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Rai 4 - (8.00%) 2 out of 25 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

 

MOST POPULAR 2000s SUBMISSIONS, TOUGHEST IN CGC 9.8+ (Percent)

Masters of the Universe Promotional Issue nn - (0.00%) 0 out of 53 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Universe X Spidey 1 Recalled Edition - (0.00%) 0 out of 28 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

30 Days of Night 1 - (0.00%) 0 out of 27 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Ultimate X-Men 1 Dynamic Forces Edition - (0.82%) 1 out of 122 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Amazing Spider-Man v2 #50 - (3.00%) 3 out of 100 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Amazing Spider-Man v2 #38 - (3.45%) 1 out of 29 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Ultimate Spider-Man 1 - (4.81%) 44 out of 914 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Ultimate Spider-Man 3 - (6.25%) 23 out of 368 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Amazing Spider-Man v2 #39 - (7.14%) 2 out of 28 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Ultimate Spider-Man 1 Dynamic Forces Edition - (7.33%) 30 out of 409 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Ultimate X-Men 1 - (8.63%) 39 out of 452 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Ultimates 5 - (8.77%) 5 out of 57 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Fray 1 - (9.38%) 3 out of 32 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

Incredible Hulk 35 - (10.00%) 5 out of 50 books CGC 9.0+ are CGC 9.8+

[dam60]

Amen, to that Batman 428! God knows I am looking!

 

WILLING TO PAY STUPID MONEY FOR A BATMAN 427 CGC 9.6 WHITE PAGES

 

DAM

[valiantman]

How many Signature Series books have been done? And what is the average grade...

 

Average Grades for Signature Series Books

1940s (1 issue, 1 Signature Series book, 3.0 Signature Series grade)

1950s (20 issues, 20 Signature Series books, 2.12 avg. Signature Series grade)

1960s (135 issues, 172 Signature Series books, 4.54 avg. Signature Series grade)

1970s (48 issues, 55 Signature Series books, 7.54 avg. Signature Series grade)

1980s (64 issues, 82 Signature Series books, 9.29 avg. Signature Series grade)

1990s (141 issues, 263 Signature Series books, 9.54 avg. Signature Series grade)

2000s (286 issues, 1893 Signature Series books, 9.68 avg. Signature Series grade)

TOTAL (695 issues, 2,486 Signature Series books, 9.17 avg. Signature Series grade)

[TomG]

Can you break down the 10.0's by title and era?

[valiantman]

Can you break down the 10.0's by title and era?

 

I did those in post #218420 earlier in this topic... do you need more info?

[TomG]

What do you mean in the post by data entry error?